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I think coffee requires more skills/equipment (cost) than tea. It's much harder to create good coffee than good tea.
by econcon 7y ago
I think coffee requires more skills/equipment (cost) than tea. It's much harder to create good coffee than good tea.
- vbezhenar 7y agoCezve and grinder? That's not a costly equipment.
- sk0g 7y agoIt's still equipment, and tea is more 'fire and forget' to make.
- enitihas 7y agoWhat about Instant Coffee?
- praptak 7y agoInstant coffee is no substitute for the real stuff.
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- TheSpiceIsLife 7y agoInstant coffee is a US$30+ billion global market segment, and about half of all coffee drinkers drink instant coffee. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/14/almost-half-of-the-world-actually-prefers-instant-coffee/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/14/almos...
- Ghjklov 7y agoInstant coffee can be pretty great. I like the Japanese/Korean brands like UCC and Kanu.
- vinay427 7y agoYes. That doesn't make it a substitute for the real thing. I either use a full ceramic burr grinder and Aeropress setup with some recently-roasted single-origin beans OR instant coffee if I only have a few minutes before I have to leave the house in the morning, in which case I do the full brew later in the day. I don't see them as sustainable substitutes any more than tea and coffee are substitutes.
- praptak 7y agoYeah, it's more like beer vs wine. Not really substitutes except in the narrow sense of delivering the active ingredient.
- zokula 7y agoInstant coffee is the real stuff.
- petre 7y agoNot really. Tea is oxydized in pans or with steam, cured, aged etc.
- locuscoeruleus 7y agoIf you want consistency that grinder is going to cost a lot. There are diminishing returns and $60 grinder will get you 80% of the way. But going from 80% to 99% you're looking at a price increase of about $1800. You're obviously not going to buy that equipment for your home though.
- 2muchcoffeeman 7y agoWho are you kidding? Of course we are. I have a $2000 grinder on the way. Edit: I don't buy that a $60 dollar grinder will get you 80% of the way. The output of such cheap grinders that I have seen have very poor consistency. You're looking at low hundreds to get anything decent and even then you will have very clear differences when matched against a top end grinder.
- locuscoeruleus 7y agoOn the continuum from preground coffee to cafe quality pour over, a $60 wilfa burr griner will get you 80% in my opinion. You'll have days when the brew comes out very well, some days it's disappointing. The biggest advantage when going from no grinder to cheap grinder is that you can buy quality beans rather than supermarket coffee and that time from grinding to brewing is minimized, so you lose less flavour. For me, that's 80% of the value for 20% of the effort/money.
- 2muchcoffeeman 7y agoAh, ok sure. I agree.
- throw0101a 7y ago> I don't buy that a $60 dollar grinder will get you 80% of the way. Is a used Baratza Encore much more expensive than that? A new one is US$ 140: * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-coffee-grinder/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-coffee-grinder/
- ntsplnkv2 7y ago
- dominotw 7y agoi used the grider at the grocery store :\
- dzonga 7y agoI use a mortar and pestle, if I can't grind the beans at my local supermarket.
- s_dev 7y agoWhich is why I'm so astonished Americans make tea so poorly. Tepid water with a tea bag on the side is not the way to brew a cup of tea.
- throw0101a 7y ago> Tepid water This is because most American's don't have a kettle (at home or work). I think quite a few Europeans do. It's also why so many (baking) recipes in the US measure (e.g.) flour in cups/volume: most people don't have scales.
- s_dev 7y agoI refuse to believe Americans can't produce a cup of 100 Degree celcius boiling water either at home or at work.
- NikolaeVarius 7y agoIs there a point to the 100 degrees reference? its like saying a lightspeed flashlight
- throw0101a 7y agoBecause the temperature of the water determines how well extraction occurs. Sub-100°C (for black tea) and you get a shitty tasting tea (I like to call it 'herb water'). * https://www.thespruceeats.com/how-to-brew-tea-water-temperatures-766316 https://www.thespruceeats.com/how-to-brew-tea-water-temperat... It's similar to coffee (93°C) * https://www.scaa.org/PDF/resources/golden-cup-standard.pdf https://www.scaa.org/PDF/resources/golden-cup-standard.pdf
- ip26 7y agoI'll admit I can't. (It boils at 95 C)
- rolph 7y ago
- matwood 7y agoIt's probably my lack of experience, but I find tea harder to make correctly. Depending on the tea, should I rinse the leaves ahead of time? How long do I let it steep? How hot should the water be? How much tea should I even use? For coffee, I pour hot water over my ground coffee until the pot underneath is full of coffee.
- tentboy 7y agoThat is a very oversimplified way to describe making coffee - and thats just for one method of brewing. You have so many variations of brewing like pourover, drip, french press, espresso etc. and each of these methods has a ton of individual variables that affect the final product ranging such as water temp, bean freshness, grind coarseness and much more. I am certainly not a coffee expert (I'm too lazy to actually dive into the world of craft coffee I just drink the free coffee at work) but I do enjoy espresso when I am out and love reading about coffee/brewing
- madeofpalk 7y agoHow was it ground? How was it roasted? How hot should your water be?
- tasuki 7y agoThere are two things econcon could've meant by "create" - either what happens before the tea/coffee reaches your shop, or what happens afterwards. I'll go with your interpretation... I'm a fan of tea, ignorant about coffee. Tea brewing generally has three variables: amount/proportion of leaves/water, water temperature, brewing time. With coffee, those three are still applicable. And there's a fourth variable: how finely one grinds it, and perhaps a fifth one: whether/what pressure to apply while brewing. I usually don't even rinse oolongs/greens and it's fine. If you don't rinse your puerh, the first brew is just going to taste like a rinse. No big deal - enjoy the subsequent brews :)