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Again severe failure on the govt’s part. Their inaction in when it was needed the most led to all these circumstances that makes it ripe for situations like the

Again severe failure on the govt’s part. Their inaction in when it was needed the most led to all these circumstances that makes it ripe for situations like these. As the number of infections spread and economic situation get worse these kind of things will get really really bad. Once the second and third order effects kick in it’s going to be a catastrophe. And our leaders answer to all of this is to give $1200 checks to people. All they care is about the economy as it gives them higher odds for their reelection. I don’t understand how such incompetence can be tolerated and why they are not fired and instead have to wait till next election.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
> Again severe failure on the govt’s part. If you live in a democracy, then you are part of the government. You can't just blame other people for this.
- quietthrow 7y ago
  Agree. Active citizenry is the cornerstone of democracy. That’s why we have elected officials. But when they are unfit for the job and it doesn’t mean you blindly follow them to the abyss. There is something to be said for course correction and not waiting for the next cycle to make changes while millions of people get impacted. There is no doubt that people will needlessly die due to our abject failure to provide these test kits in a timely manner. Maintaining status quo / Dealing with things just for sake of tradition dosnt make sense in 2020. By that logic we should still not have women’s rights and continue on slavery because that’s the way it had been for so long? The leaders can do whatever they want and we have to wait for the next cycle beastie that’s the way things have always been?
- baddox 7y ago
  That’s ridiculous. An average citizen cannot vote more medical supplies into existence no matter how hard they vote.
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- Aeolun 7y ago
  Depends on who you voted for. 49% of the people that voted are in a perfect position to blame others. Not that I think it would have really mattered. All the western countries were struck by surprise it seems, even though they had months to prepare.
  - Retric 7y ago
    I think it’s largely to soon to judge countries on this issue. In my mind the outliers are: South Korea, as they had much better testing than China and new infections have been increasing at ~1% per day for the last week. It’s still early, but it’s a very promising sign. Finland on the other hand had it’s first diagnosis on February 26th and closed all schools etc on March 16. That’s an unusually rapid response, though it’s to soon to say how effective it is. PS: At least in the US it’s rare for the the people in power to actually get even 50% of the vote. But, I think we can safely blame non voters just fine.
- nikofeyn 7y ago
  the united states is not a democracy, plain and simple. the u.s. is an authoritative state that can barely run itself. and further, what are your practical recommendations outside of theoretical possibility and platitudes? how does a citizen stop the president from blatantly and petulantly renaming "coronavirus" with "chinese virus"? how does one make the government back in january actually prepare for the viral outbreak instead of just banning travel (and secretly denying visas and withholding passports with valid visas from immigrants and non-immigrant workers), stop generating racism towards the chinese and east-asian population in general, stop creating an agoraphobic aura, then stop them of washing their hands of the situation, as if that's all that was needed? how does one control the government communication and media that continually sends the wrong message to the people, who are already all too willing to panic? how does one keep the government from withholding information or making poor decisions that ignore international knowledge and recommendations? how does one keep our government from secretly and illegally profiting off of the virus? how does one keep the government from flat out lying? statements like yours are infuriating. you're acting as if a vote four years ago mattered or any future vote matters. it didn't, and it won't. what matters are the actions of the people actually in power. and as of late, these actions amount to treason, felonies, and unethical behavior.
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- pbourke 7y ago
  This is flippant pablum. The majority of voters did not choose the current administration.
- Thriptic 7y ago
  I elected people to govern. If I have to govern for them, what exactly are they being paid to do again? Besides, what we need during a crisis is expedient, logical decision making, not incredibly slow and decentralized power.
grej 7y ago
"why they are not fired and instead have to wait till next election." Because we still have laws, and elections. What do you want a military coup?
- quietthrow 7y ago
  I would say I want more tests kits, more protective gear for health professionals, more unified and clear communication. What use are said laws and elections if they are not able to provide security for the citizens. They sound great in theory and that about it. Because of these clowns so many people are going to pay with their lives or their daily livelihoods or both. If the only option to removing incompetent people from gov is a military coup then we have a bigger fundamental problem. It can’t be binary. World can and does operate in shades or gray. So no military coup is not what I want.
- mindslight 7y ago
  I'd take a few high-profile covid deaths.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  Honestly, right now? It might improve things. If literally the only thing they do is force a sensible election system, it’ll be worth it.
  - supdatecron 7y ago
    > If literally the only thing they do is force a sensible election system, it’ll be worth it. If global history (even just the past 70 years) is any indication of the results, there's a very high chance a coup won't force a sensible election system. Let's not dream up this situation
WalterBright 7y ago
> Again severe failure on the govt’s part. Just imagine how bad it would be if we turned industry over to the government to run, too.
- Retric 7y ago
  That seems like a complete non sequitur, but it reminds me of an old joke. 1. Elect people who don’t believe in government 2. Get shocked when they do a poor job. 3. ??? 4. Profit More seriously, I don’t think this is the kind of situation where people are ever going to be happy with how it’s handled. But, governments can do a better or worse job.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    It doesn't matter if the people running the government believe in it or not. Central economic control doesn't work.
    - 9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
      Then why is USA so afraid of China?
      - WalterBright 7y ago
        China gave up on central economic planning to a great extent, and turned to capitalism. The rise of China's economy was a direct result.
    - Retric 7y ago
      Every western country has used some central economic control continuously for the last 100+ years. Tariffs are ancient, but more modern tools like the FED or child labor laws are far from recent. Saying they never work is clearly disingenuous. PS: Unless you’re thinking of central planning aka communism and just using the wrong word.
      - 7y ago

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago

> Again severe failure on the govt’s part. If you live in a democracy, then you are part of the government. You can't just blame other people for this.

quietthrow 7y ago
Agree. Active citizenry is the cornerstone of democracy. That’s why we have elected officials. But when they are unfit for the job and it doesn’t mean you blindly follow them to the abyss. There is something to be said for course correction and not waiting for the next cycle to make changes while millions of people get impacted. There is no doubt that people will needlessly die due to our abject failure to provide these test kits in a timely manner. Maintaining status quo / Dealing with things just for sake of tradition dosnt make sense in 2020. By that logic we should still not have women’s rights and continue on slavery because that’s the way it had been for so long? The leaders can do whatever they want and we have to wait for the next cycle beastie that’s the way things have always been?
baddox 7y ago
That’s ridiculous. An average citizen cannot vote more medical supplies into existence no matter how hard they vote.
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Aeolun 7y ago
Depends on who you voted for. 49% of the people that voted are in a perfect position to blame others. Not that I think it would have really mattered. All the western countries were struck by surprise it seems, even though they had months to prepare.
- Retric 7y ago
  I think it’s largely to soon to judge countries on this issue. In my mind the outliers are: South Korea, as they had much better testing than China and new infections have been increasing at ~1% per day for the last week. It’s still early, but it’s a very promising sign. Finland on the other hand had it’s first diagnosis on February 26th and closed all schools etc on March 16. That’s an unusually rapid response, though it’s to soon to say how effective it is. PS: At least in the US it’s rare for the the people in power to actually get even 50% of the vote. But, I think we can safely blame non voters just fine.
nikofeyn 7y ago
the united states is not a democracy, plain and simple. the u.s. is an authoritative state that can barely run itself. and further, what are your practical recommendations outside of theoretical possibility and platitudes? how does a citizen stop the president from blatantly and petulantly renaming "coronavirus" with "chinese virus"? how does one make the government back in january actually prepare for the viral outbreak instead of just banning travel (and secretly denying visas and withholding passports with valid visas from immigrants and non-immigrant workers), stop generating racism towards the chinese and east-asian population in general, stop creating an agoraphobic aura, then stop them of washing their hands of the situation, as if that's all that was needed? how does one control the government communication and media that continually sends the wrong message to the people, who are already all too willing to panic? how does one keep the government from withholding information or making poor decisions that ignore international knowledge and recommendations? how does one keep our government from secretly and illegally profiting off of the virus? how does one keep the government from flat out lying? statements like yours are infuriating. you're acting as if a vote four years ago mattered or any future vote matters. it didn't, and it won't. what matters are the actions of the people actually in power. and as of late, these actions amount to treason, felonies, and unethical behavior.
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pbourke 7y ago
This is flippant pablum. The majority of voters did not choose the current administration.
Thriptic 7y ago
I elected people to govern. If I have to govern for them, what exactly are they being paid to do again? Besides, what we need during a crisis is expedient, logical decision making, not incredibly slow and decentralized power.

grej 7y ago

"why they are not fired and instead have to wait till next election." Because we still have laws, and elections. What do you want a military coup?

quietthrow 7y ago
I would say I want more tests kits, more protective gear for health professionals, more unified and clear communication. What use are said laws and elections if they are not able to provide security for the citizens. They sound great in theory and that about it. Because of these clowns so many people are going to pay with their lives or their daily livelihoods or both. If the only option to removing incompetent people from gov is a military coup then we have a bigger fundamental problem. It can’t be binary. World can and does operate in shades or gray. So no military coup is not what I want.
mindslight 7y ago
I'd take a few high-profile covid deaths.
Aeolun 7y ago
Honestly, right now? It might improve things. If literally the only thing they do is force a sensible election system, it’ll be worth it.
- supdatecron 7y ago
  > If literally the only thing they do is force a sensible election system, it’ll be worth it. If global history (even just the past 70 years) is any indication of the results, there's a very high chance a coup won't force a sensible election system. Let's not dream up this situation

WalterBright 7y ago

> Again severe failure on the govt’s part. Just imagine how bad it would be if we turned industry over to the government to run, too.

Retric 7y ago
That seems like a complete non sequitur, but it reminds me of an old joke. 1. Elect people who don’t believe in government 2. Get shocked when they do a poor job. 3. ??? 4. Profit More seriously, I don’t think this is the kind of situation where people are ever going to be happy with how it’s handled. But, governments can do a better or worse job.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  It doesn't matter if the people running the government believe in it or not. Central economic control doesn't work.
  - 9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
    Then why is USA so afraid of China?
    - WalterBright 7y ago
      China gave up on central economic planning to a great extent, and turned to capitalism. The rise of China's economy was a direct result.
  - Retric 7y ago
    Every western country has used some central economic control continuously for the last 100+ years. Tariffs are ancient, but more modern tools like the FED or child labor laws are far from recent. Saying they never work is clearly disingenuous. PS: Unless you’re thinking of central planning aka communism and just using the wrong word.
    - 7y ago