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This is where the 37 signals folks would politely say no. You can't please every user, and something tells me that a majority of gmail users aren't sporting a
by johnrob 16y ago
This is where the 37 signals folks would politely say no. You can't please every user, and something tells me that a majority of gmail users aren't sporting a 10k contact list.
- Groxx 16y agoThe majority of Gmail users aren't paying users either, nor are they paying for a business account. For the free / non-business accounts, yes, by all means, put in an arbitrary limit. But that's actually pretty low for a business - what if they have > 10k employees, much less external contacts?
- tonfa 16y agoAs far as I know, for business using google apps, if you have 10k employees you don't need to have 10k contacts, I think there is some kind of ldap integration. Edit: See http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1092941 http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answ... I don't think user profiles (that would be what is used for employees inside an organization) and shared contacts have a 10k limitation, only the user personal contacts have it.
- eitally 16y agoDomain contacts (fed by a GAL sync in addition to domain-level groups created via cpanel) are not counted toward the limit.
- sigzero 16y agoAny company with that many employees is not going to be using Gmail in the first place.
- jbrechtel 16y agoWhy do you say that? We have about 2-3k and use Google Apps and it's a great fit. Just curious what you think would make it not a good fit if/when we start to approach 10k?
- bricestacey 16y agoMany schools use gmail and have well over 10k students. Northeastern for example uses gmail and has over 15000 undergrads.
- Groxx 16y agoI wish my school would use Gmail. Then we might be able to actually do things with our email :\
- bricestacey 16y agoI agree. My school (UMass Boston) went with Windows Live for students. Usually, I would commend outsourcing this sort of thing (especially at the crossroads of government and academia), but now I can get a list of every student's email by just clicking address book. It's a joke. Staff/faculty email is managed locally with Exchange 2003.
- ditojim 16y agoyou clearly live under a rock.
- sigzero 16y agoAnd you clearly need lessons in civility. It just never occurred to me that a company of > 10K employees would use it. I had never really thought that out.
- ditojim 16y agoso maybe you should have kept your uninformed comment to yourself? http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/customers/index.html http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/customers/index.html
- mkr-hn 16y agoSomeone not doing their homework doesn't give you a license to be a jerk.
- ditojim 16y agoum, this is the internet..yes it does. additionally, you were clearly digging at gmail/google as an enterprise email solution...so that's ok, but digging at you for digging at them isn't? since when is being a hypocrite civil? also, does your mommy still tuck you in at night?
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- mkr-hn 16y agoI've only made one comment in this thread, and it didn't contain any of those things.
- enneff 16y agoYou mean like Google?
- balac 16y agoActually, this is where the Google people did politely say no.
- nopinsight 16y agoThe 37 signals philosophy is to increase satisfaction through simplicity. Removing rarely used features can increase software simplicity which results in higher satisfaction for the majority of users. In this case, allowing 20,000+ contacts does not reduce anything for the rest of their user base; it only positively impact some heavy (and presumably loyal) users of their system, which nets in total increased satisfaction. If the goal is to maximize overall total satisfaction, Google should engineer their system to support maximally conceivable number of contacts.
- random42 16y ago> In this case, allowing 20,000+ contacts does not reduce anything for the rest of their user base; it only positively impact some heavy (and presumably loyal) users of their system, which nets in total increased satisfaction. This is oversimplification. Knowing google, they would want to track different users' contacts and mutual contacts, and email frequencies habits etc. Contact size, is larger than O(N) complexity.
- Florin_Andrei 16y ago> Contact size, is larger than O(N) complexity. Yes, but the graph is very very sparse.
- erikpukinskis 16y agoMaybe. I could also imagine 37signals writing a blog post like "We had these wacky users with more than 10k contacts, and we thought about it for a second, and we realized that if we fix the bottleneck by refactoring our code, it will also reduce the load on our contacts server by 40% (including us), which is a win for everyone, so we went ahead and did it."