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It's a made up problem. In Germany, journalists asked the network providers and they said everything is fine. Such a ridiculous and pointless thing to do by th
by turbinerneiter 7y ago
It's a made up problem. In Germany, journalists asked the network providers and they said everything is fine.
Such a ridiculous and pointless thing to do by the EU. Especially since all the apps drop the quality automatically anyway if the connection is slow.
- Skunkleton 7y agoI think the point is to protect things like remote desktop, zoom, etc from being pushed out by netflix traffic.
- Hamuko 7y agoIsn't that mostly a QoS issue?
- wmf 7y agoThe Internet doesn't have QoS.
- matsur 7y agoLast mile networks do.
- wmf 7y agoYeah, but nobody trusts ISPs to prioritize traffic; that's what the decade of net neutrality discussion has been about. If they start prioritizing Zoom over Netflix now, it just opens the door to continuing that prioritization (for pay) after the crisis.
- Hamuko 7y agoI'm not sure if I buy the argument that doing something weird during a state of emergency is a valid cause to keep doing it outside of it.
- ricardobeat 7y ago@Hamuko you don't need to buy it, the ISP owners will quickly buy that argument for you :)
- Hamuko 7y agoAnd the EU can then take action against the ISPs. The EU hasn't been particularly hands off.
- geggam 7y agoTry tunneling things thru VOIP packets and see if you notice a difference
- Barrin92 7y agoin these times where a significant amount of business is done from home it becomes a national issue pretty quickly.
- mattnewton 7y agoSounds like an ISP issue.
- ritchiea 7y agoHere in Berlin my DSL connection has been awful since the social distancing began. And many of my friends have complained of similar problems. Frequent disconnections, broken up zoom calls. Though ironically the streaming has been fine from both Netflix & Amazon.
- t0mas88 7y agoI've had disconnected Zoom calls here (Netherlands) as well, but it seems that's just Zoom not being able to handle the traffic because Google Hangouts and MS Teams are both fine. And Netflix and Disney+ are also working fine.
- Hamuko 7y agoDidn't MS Teams already go down once due to the additional traffic in Europe?
- akadruid1 7y agoIt could be that they don't have local edge servers in the Netherlands, we are using Zoom very heavily here in the UK and its working well with our colleagues here and in the US but some European countries including Netherlands are breaking up or disconnecting. I think Zoom are using AWS.
- turbinerneiter 7y agoIf streaming works, but zoom doesn't, maybe the issue is with the zoom servers?
- ritchiea 7y agoI’ve had other disconnections and sporadic complete DSL outages during the day. It might be there’s more traffic during the day when people are performing work duties from home. Netflix might also be good enough at queuing up downloaded portions of the film ahead of time that the brief outages don’t affect the viewing experience.
- pilsetnieks 7y ago
- dogma1138 7y agoIt wouldn't surprise me if there is a problem, on Netflix's side. As in this puts too much stress and thus too high of a cost on their end.
- aarroyoc 7y agoIt's not an invented problem. In Spain, ISPs like Telefonica and Vodafone are posting tweets are telling newspapers that people need to use the Internet with responsibility [0]. They also passed a law yesterday that allows ISPs to close connections if they know they're being used to spam the network. Maybe in Germany is different because people are more used to work from home or just being at home while watching Netflix but Spanish people like to go out a lot and now the network needs to serve all these people as well. [0]: https://www.xatakamovil.com/movil-y-sociedad/operadores-se-unen-para-pedir-uso-racional-responsable-redes-gran-incremento-trafico https://www.xatakamovil.com/movil-y-sociedad/operadores-se-u...
- bluegreyred 7y ago"the internet" from a dedicated fiber line is not the same as "the internet" from a oversubscribed 3G cell tower in the same country. Running better/more aggressive last mile QoS in the affected regions would make more sense to me, though I can see the advantage of netflix throttling "voluntarily" because this approach may avoid net neutrality violations.
- martin8412 7y agoThey're talking about a 50% increase in voice and 25% in data on mobile networks. The problem is not the wired home connections. In fact, they even suggest that you use your landline for talking instead of the mobile networks.
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- ehsankia 7y agoWould any ISP actually openly say that it's "not fine"? Are these publicly owned companies? Wouldn't be risky to your business if you admitted things are not fine or that they are on the edge of capacity?
- hobofan 7y agoGerman ISPs to public: "Everything is fine!" German ISPs to EU representative: "Could you please ask Netflix to turn down the traffic so we don't look too bad?" Not too hard to imagine, is it?
- op00to 7y agoMore like German ISPs to EU Representative: oh noes we got caught overselling remember when I gave you all that money now please ask Netflix to slow down
- Shivetya 7y agoit is a no cost request for a government official to make and gives them a ready out should things go wrong, in that they can point and say "if only they had done what I asked"