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I believe that at this point, any quarantine or 'shelter in place' order must be voluntary. We stand to lose too much by giving up fundamental rights, and it is

I believe that at this point, any quarantine or 'shelter in place' order must be voluntary. We stand to lose too much by giving up fundamental rights, and it is questionable what we would gain from...what, arresting the vanishingly small number of people who are still blasé about the measures? Like the article notes, our goal is now to slow the virus, not stop it. Normalizing heavy-handed authoritarian measures will only breed future despotism.

seemslegit 7y ago
Future despotism agrees.
Supermancho 7y ago
> must be voluntary Must not be voluntary. Humans are erratic and generally selfish. > now to slow the virus, not stop it Stopping it is ideal and when the plague is leathal enough, the only option. It is not draconian to institute measures that are effective. They will be instituted eventually (eg if a plagie was ebola with a 60% mortality and 2wk incubation), regardless of what philosophy you subscribe to.
- Veen 7y ago
  If you have a complete mandatory lockdown that works to stop the spread, it's highly likely that there will be a resurgence of infections as soon as the lockdown is lifted.
thrill 7y ago
There's nothing voluntary when your boss is saying, "Well, I'll be at work - look forward to seeing you there".
greedo 7y ago
Have you seen photos of large groups still hitting the bars? Lots of people think they're invulnerable.
- guenthert 7y ago
  Not invulnerable, just not eager to give up their way of live and sanity for a stupid flu like sickness which they might or might not get. They are much more likely to die in a traffic accident when leaving the bar intoxicated, than from CORVID-19.
  - deweller 7y ago
    Please don't dismiss this illness. Your stated facts are not correct. One is 50 times more likely to die from CORVID-19 than a car crash. The latest CORVID-19 fatality rates for those aged 15 to 44 is 0.5% [1]. The odds of dying in a car crash in one year are 0.01% [2] [1] https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-rate-estimates/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-... [2] https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-o... - assumed 78 year lifespan
    - p2detar 7y ago
      Not to be picky, but those stats may be different for people that get intoxicated on a regular basis. Much like OP suggests.
    - chrismcb 7y ago
      I believe your first statistic is based on where you get the disease or not. The second is just based on the number of car accidents per year. I don't think we really know what the odds are you will be infected
  - greedo 7y ago
    It's COVID-19, not CORVID-19. And like your accuracy in spelling the disease, your facts are also poor and unsubstantiated.
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_bxg1 7y ago
Italy has said that if you knowingly break quarantine without a good reason you could be charged later with murder. That seems like a much more effective approach than making arrests, from the standpoint of both deterrence and practicality.

seemslegit 7y ago

Future despotism agrees.

Supermancho 7y ago

> must be voluntary Must not be voluntary. Humans are erratic and generally selfish. > now to slow the virus, not stop it Stopping it is ideal and when the plague is leathal enough, the only option. It is not draconian to institute measures that are effective. They will be instituted eventually (eg if a plagie was ebola with a 60% mortality and 2wk incubation), regardless of what philosophy you subscribe to.

Veen 7y ago
If you have a complete mandatory lockdown that works to stop the spread, it's highly likely that there will be a resurgence of infections as soon as the lockdown is lifted.

thrill 7y ago

There's nothing voluntary when your boss is saying, "Well, I'll be at work - look forward to seeing you there".

greedo 7y ago

Have you seen photos of large groups still hitting the bars? Lots of people think they're invulnerable.

guenthert 7y ago
Not invulnerable, just not eager to give up their way of live and sanity for a stupid flu like sickness which they might or might not get. They are much more likely to die in a traffic accident when leaving the bar intoxicated, than from CORVID-19.
- deweller 7y ago
  Please don't dismiss this illness. Your stated facts are not correct. One is 50 times more likely to die from CORVID-19 than a car crash. The latest CORVID-19 fatality rates for those aged 15 to 44 is 0.5% [1]. The odds of dying in a car crash in one year are 0.01% [2] [1] https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-rate-estimates/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/lower-coronavirus-death-... [2] https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-o... - assumed 78 year lifespan
  - p2detar 7y ago
    Not to be picky, but those stats may be different for people that get intoxicated on a regular basis. Much like OP suggests.
  - chrismcb 7y ago
    I believe your first statistic is based on where you get the disease or not. The second is just based on the number of car accidents per year. I don't think we really know what the odds are you will be infected
- greedo 7y ago
  It's COVID-19, not CORVID-19. And like your accuracy in spelling the disease, your facts are also poor and unsubstantiated.

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_bxg1 7y ago

Italy has said that if you knowingly break quarantine without a good reason you could be charged later with murder. That seems like a much more effective approach than making arrests, from the standpoint of both deterrence and practicality.