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"Another email sent to a Tesla employee instructs employees who are following the shelter in place order to take paid vacation days for days they do not show up

• Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  I believe that if a government mandates a shutdown of businesses, said government should pay for it. The employees directly that is, not the businesses. Also, businesses should have enough savings to keep paying for all of their employees in a crisis like this. The employees in turn have to remember they have the power. If they decide to just not return unless they get paid and their already scarce vacation days back, the company is screwed.
  • oleganza 7y ago
    Wait, it's a double pay. Here are saner options for "gov pays": 1. Gov pays employees for missed days, biz closes for unpaid vacations. 2. Gov pays biz for missed revenue, biz extends paid vacations. Also don't forget that gov does not even earn/save money, so "gov pays" is an instant failure in a rational discussion.
    • londons_explore 7y ago
      "Gov prints money to pay wages" Isn't that's what's normally written in history textbooks shortly before "hyperinflation, economic collapse, failed state"
      • 0xfaded 7y ago
        The US is in the enviable position of being able to print money, and it should. Taxes are not about revenue collection, they're about controlling inflation. Print lots of money, distribute it evenly to everyone, and make a one time levy on all bank deposits to remove the same amount from the economy. You can call it stock buyback buybacks if you like ;) There may still be some initial inflation, as this action just released a lot of purchasing power to the masses. But people are tightening the purse, and long term things should level out.
      • simoom22 7y ago
        Textbooks get the causation backwards on that, the order of events is actually "economic collapse, hyperinflation, failed state"
        • dsfyu404ed 7y ago
          You could also take the view that trying to mitigate economic collapse by printing obscene amounts of money is something that failed states do because they have no other options. The correlation between hyper-inflation and regime change is very strong but the sample size is limited so we can't infer all that much bout the order of causation.
      • imtringued 7y ago
        Why would the government have to print money? It can just get a -0.1% loan and get most of the money back after the economy has recovered.
      • fgonzag 7y ago
        You don't need to print money. You could have businesses pay salaries and refund back those salaries as tax credits. You can offer short term loans to those small businesses who have cash flow issues. You can forgive all taxes during the lockdown (so the rent and wages you just paid does not generate taxes) There are many ways a government can help during an economic crisis.
  • trhway 7y ago
    >The employees in turn have to remember they have the power. not really. They aren't software engineers in high demand. An acquaintance works 2 jobs - he've got a family - one job is at Tesla, and now both of these jobs are off. There is some deep unjustice that the cost of all these lockdowns/etc. is paid by the most disadvantaged members of society while Mnuchin (who has a well established track of record of exploiting for personal gain the tough fate regular people fell into during a 2008 crisis) is going to get a $1T to use at his will.
    • nicoburns 7y ago
      This is what unions are for.
      • anonymouswacker 7y ago
        and militias
        • deleted 7y ago
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      • strict9 7y ago
        It's unfortunate they've been systematically destroyed through legislation in favor of more returns to shareholders for the past few decades.