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Well, I guess those videos turn people off and they stay on the app less, and TikTok wants to make money. TikTok works with AI, but the same would happen on Fa
by nkkollaw 7y ago
Well, I guess those videos turn people off and they stay on the app less, and TikTok wants to make money.
TikTok works with AI, but the same would happen on Facebook, where people click on "Like" manually.
Cry me a river.
- kryogen1c 7y agothis is a very cogent point. algorithims act as a layer of abstraction and somehow gives people an escape for moral culpability. i wonder what facebooks algorithms would have done during US slavery, in nazi germany, during the apartheid, or any other (countless) horriffic human event? no doubt we will hoist pitchforks at tiktok for being authoritarian chinese and neglect our own senseless populism.
- detaro 7y agoHow are algorithms a "layer of abstraction" for guidelines given to human moderators?
- bronipstid 7y agoI think his point is that if people set the objectives, the AI will learn what people like, and that is going to be discriminatory in some way.
- im3w1l 7y agoThe difference is that a person with some flaw can compensate by having other qualities and still be popular. But if there is a hard rule, then that's not possible. People need that hope.
- pbhjpbhj 7y agoI wonder if racists get friend suggestions for people who aren't their "race" in appearance terms; I'm imagining that could be an emergent selection not explicitly encoded for. If that were the case ... would it be so different to people making that selection. It's a question of allowance vs. instigation I suppose ... but if you knew that behaviour was likely to emerge then the line gets blurred somewhat ...
- anigbrowl 7y agoRarely. I operate several facebook profiles that exclusively look at very racist or politically extreme people, and guess who FB keeps recommending as potential friends.
- chillwaves 7y agoWhy?
- daveFNbuck 7y agoThis is not about low quality content getting automatically filtered out by an algorithm because people don't like it. This is about TikTok using human moderators to prevent users from ever seeing content made by people they don't like.
- linuxftw 7y agoSo, like reddit?
- capableweb 7y agoModerators of the subreddits in reddit are normal reddit users (normally) compared to the moderators in TikTok who I presume are selected by the company and on payroll (or contractors maybe, I seem to recall Facebook uses contractors for this)
- daveFNbuck 7y agoI don't think Reddit gives moderators instructions to remove content if it indicates that the poster has a list of undesirable characteristics like being fat or poor.
- nkkollaw 7y agoSo, like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube..?
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- nl 7y agoTikTok works with AI No, it's manually done by humans.
- nkkollaw 7y agoIt's not. The whole point is that you keep scrolling and they show you what the algo thinks you'll like.
- capableweb 7y agoSure, the algorithm will try to figure out what you like and put that on the top, but the things being removed by humans don't even get into the algorithm, they are completely removed.
- nl 7y agoDid you read the article? Quote: Under this policy, TikTok moderators were explicitly told to suppress uploads from users with flaws both congenital and inevitable. “Abnormal body shape,” “ugly facial looks,” dwarfism, and “obvious beer belly,” “too many wrinkles,” “eye disorders,” and many other “low quality” traits are all enough to keep uploads out of the algorithmic fire hose.