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This does seem similar to many bad laws that were passed after 9/11, usually with support of both parties. Even decades after 9/11 many of those bad laws are s

This does seem similar to many bad laws that were passed after 9/11, usually with support of both parties. Even decades after 9/11 many of those bad laws are still with us. Shockingly, the very broad authorization of military force from 2001 is still the law of the land: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_of_2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Milit... It's important to be diligent and not get distracted by a crisis. All emergency measures should have sunset clauses.

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SkyBelow 7y ago
>All emergency measures should have sunset clauses. I wonder if all laws should have sunset clauses. Even with as simple as murder there are needs for the legislature to discuss if the penalty is appropriate based on current science of rehabilitation and the edge cases like vehicular homicide handled in the correct fashion.
- Armisael16 7y ago
  I would say that’s already functionally the case with the debt ceiling, and that’s a catastrophe every time it comes up.
  - SkyBelow 7y ago
    I guess the problem with with riders and such. If someone adds their own pork to the keep murder illegal bill, it could cause issues. But I think that is a case of pork being the problem, as it also causes issues with many other sorts of bills.
  - lozenge 7y ago
    Not really, a sunset clause on the debt ceiling would mean after sunset there would be no ceiling, as it is a completely artificial invention anyway. Most countries don't have a debt ceiling.
    - Armisael16 7y ago
      It’s similar to the proposal in that not passing a replacement bill (“raise the debt ceiling” : “murder is illegal”) would have very obviously negative results. The debt ceiling is a functional sunset clause on the ability of the US government to pay its bills.
boomboomsubban 7y ago
To be fair, they are pretty good about adding sunset clauses to these surveillance laws. This will be the fourth renewal of the Patriot Act after it expired yesterday.

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SkyBelow 7y ago

>All emergency measures should have sunset clauses. I wonder if all laws should have sunset clauses. Even with as simple as murder there are needs for the legislature to discuss if the penalty is appropriate based on current science of rehabilitation and the edge cases like vehicular homicide handled in the correct fashion.

Armisael16 7y ago
I would say that’s already functionally the case with the debt ceiling, and that’s a catastrophe every time it comes up.
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  I guess the problem with with riders and such. If someone adds their own pork to the keep murder illegal bill, it could cause issues. But I think that is a case of pork being the problem, as it also causes issues with many other sorts of bills.
- lozenge 7y ago
  Not really, a sunset clause on the debt ceiling would mean after sunset there would be no ceiling, as it is a completely artificial invention anyway. Most countries don't have a debt ceiling.
  - Armisael16 7y ago
    It’s similar to the proposal in that not passing a replacement bill (“raise the debt ceiling” : “murder is illegal”) would have very obviously negative results. The debt ceiling is a functional sunset clause on the ability of the US government to pay its bills.

boomboomsubban 7y ago

To be fair, they are pretty good about adding sunset clauses to these surveillance laws. This will be the fourth renewal of the Patriot Act after it expired yesterday.