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Congratulations! Fantastic products, regardless of my past complaints about documentation :)

by rad_gruchalski 7y ago

eeZah7Ux 7y ago
Fantastic?! Hascicorp?!
- amelius 7y ago
  It seems this company has a similar mode of operation as e.g. Docker: put a thin layer around Linux, and sell it as if it's something new.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - boston_sre87 7y ago
    what part of vault, consul, terraform or any of their other tools makes any of them a thin wrapper around linux?
  - hylaride 7y ago
    What’s it like? To be so cynical that it makes you so blindingly wrong? Terraform, packer, consul, and vault are all ground up products that solve very interesting problems. Nomad is a solid product. They’re all written from the ground up. How many third party companies do you think get pre-release access to AWS, Azure, and GCE and many others so that their software (in this case terraform) supports it the day of announcement? Yeah. Do you know major financial and government institutions are using vault? Do you know how long it takes those organizations to use security software as core parts of their business? Vault is barely 3 years old and is extensively used by them. Where is the thin wrappper in Hashicorp’s case?
    - philosopher1234 7y ago
      I agree with you, but perhaps we could lay off the tone at the start. Maybe GP is not cynical but just uninformed
    - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
      I used all of them and they are really overrated. Also they are not solving much.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    That's not even true of Docker. Their business might have been poorly run but Docker containers as a universal package format and easily accessible over HTTP is a major innovation over what we had before.
    - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
      Where's the innovation compared to LXC and wget?
      - manigandham 7y ago
        Fast, easy and standardized product suite with a CLI, runtime and registry that led to massive industry-wide cross-platform usage and spin-off projects like Kubernetes compared to basically nothing for the decade before. You don't have to invent new tech. Better UX counts as innovation, enough to be worth billions. Your reply reminds of the infamous Dropbox HN comment that said it was nothing more than FTP with SVN.
        noptd 7y ago
        > spin-off projects like Kubernetes Not quite- Kubernetes was an open source "spin-off" of Borg, which has been in use at Google since 2003. However, Docker did quickly become the de facto standard for containerization on k8s, due in part to its prevalence and ease of use as you mentioned above.
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    Absolutely spot on. They could try to sell find, grep and less. Most of the recent "hip" devops tools replace 100 lines of homegrown python with 10000 lines of lock-in and hype.

Congratulations! Fantastic products, regardless of my past complaints about documentation :)

eeZah7Ux 7y ago

Fantastic?! Hascicorp?!

amelius 7y ago
It seems this company has a similar mode of operation as e.g. Docker: put a thin layer around Linux, and sell it as if it's something new.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- boston_sre87 7y ago
  what part of vault, consul, terraform or any of their other tools makes any of them a thin wrapper around linux?
- hylaride 7y ago
  What’s it like? To be so cynical that it makes you so blindingly wrong? Terraform, packer, consul, and vault are all ground up products that solve very interesting problems. Nomad is a solid product. They’re all written from the ground up. How many third party companies do you think get pre-release access to AWS, Azure, and GCE and many others so that their software (in this case terraform) supports it the day of announcement? Yeah. Do you know major financial and government institutions are using vault? Do you know how long it takes those organizations to use security software as core parts of their business? Vault is barely 3 years old and is extensively used by them. Where is the thin wrappper in Hashicorp’s case?
  - philosopher1234 7y ago
    I agree with you, but perhaps we could lay off the tone at the start. Maybe GP is not cynical but just uninformed
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    I used all of them and they are really overrated. Also they are not solving much.
- manigandham 7y ago
  That's not even true of Docker. Their business might have been poorly run but Docker containers as a universal package format and easily accessible over HTTP is a major innovation over what we had before.
  - eeZah7Ux 7y ago
    Where's the innovation compared to LXC and wget?
    - manigandham 7y ago
      Fast, easy and standardized product suite with a CLI, runtime and registry that led to massive industry-wide cross-platform usage and spin-off projects like Kubernetes compared to basically nothing for the decade before. You don't have to invent new tech. Better UX counts as innovation, enough to be worth billions. Your reply reminds of the infamous Dropbox HN comment that said it was nothing more than FTP with SVN.
      - noptd 7y ago
        > spin-off projects like Kubernetes Not quite- Kubernetes was an open source "spin-off" of Borg, which has been in use at Google since 2003. However, Docker did quickly become the de facto standard for containerization on k8s, due in part to its prevalence and ease of use as you mentioned above.
- eeZah7Ux 7y ago
  Absolutely spot on. They could try to sell find, grep and less. Most of the recent "hip" devops tools replace 100 lines of homegrown python with 10000 lines of lock-in and hype.