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Death is also an easy way to hurt your lungs. I hope nobody is dumb enough to use something like this in place of visiting a hospital, but if hospitals are over

by tw04 7y ago

Death is also an easy way to hurt your lungs. I hope nobody is dumb enough to use something like this in place of visiting a hospital, but if hospitals are overrun this is better than nothing.

gravelc 7y ago
Have to agree with this. Normally it would not be a good decision to use this or even advertise how to make it. These are however not normal times; more like we are at war and using combat medicine if the health system gets over run. This device needs improving and there is a fair degree of risk that it could be harmful, but a more advanced version made from easy to source parts could save many lives.
dv_dt 7y ago
There has to be some middle ground risk between rolling in random but well intentioned pieces of equipment vs rejecting them because they haven't followed a conventional months long vetting and review. I wonder what kind of expert rapid requirements review and qualification process could be created? The comparable risk if the system is overwhelmed is life losses in triage or outright using using medical personnel as human ventilators - causing fatigue and mistakes too.
ploika 7y ago
No, this is just something. This something is not necessarily better than nothing. It could be an awful lot worse than nothing, especially since it's coming from GitHub and not somewhere like the Red Cross or MSF, with experience of medical care in tough environments , that knows the difference between "actually better than nothing" and "just something".
- gentleman11 7y ago
  Can anybody comment? How could it be worse than nothing, and is there a way to evaluate these designs? Imagine somebody had parents with lung issues and the hospitals were turning away old people with such conditions in 1-2 months
  - serf 7y ago
    >Can anybody comment? How could it be worse than nothing by giving those under-qualified to accurately diagnose a condition medical equipment that requires expertise to use, you increase the chances of incorrect use and non-indicated use.
- unethical_ban 7y ago
  This is like someone saying "never put your cryptography project on Github, it's dangerous!" This person isn't necessarily saying "Go build this if you have trouble breathing", it's a proof of concept.

by tw04 7y ago

Death is also an easy way to hurt your lungs. I hope nobody is dumb enough to use something like this in place of visiting a hospital, but if hospitals are overrun this is better than nothing.

gravelc 7y ago

Have to agree with this. Normally it would not be a good decision to use this or even advertise how to make it. These are however not normal times; more like we are at war and using combat medicine if the health system gets over run. This device needs improving and there is a fair degree of risk that it could be harmful, but a more advanced version made from easy to source parts could save many lives.

dv_dt 7y ago

There has to be some middle ground risk between rolling in random but well intentioned pieces of equipment vs rejecting them because they haven't followed a conventional months long vetting and review. I wonder what kind of expert rapid requirements review and qualification process could be created? The comparable risk if the system is overwhelmed is life losses in triage or outright using using medical personnel as human ventilators - causing fatigue and mistakes too.

ploika 7y ago

No, this is just something. This something is not necessarily better than nothing. It could be an awful lot worse than nothing, especially since it's coming from GitHub and not somewhere like the Red Cross or MSF, with experience of medical care in tough environments , that knows the difference between "actually better than nothing" and "just something".

gentleman11 7y ago
Can anybody comment? How could it be worse than nothing, and is there a way to evaluate these designs? Imagine somebody had parents with lung issues and the hospitals were turning away old people with such conditions in 1-2 months
- serf 7y ago
  >Can anybody comment? How could it be worse than nothing by giving those under-qualified to accurately diagnose a condition medical equipment that requires expertise to use, you increase the chances of incorrect use and non-indicated use.
unethical_ban 7y ago
This is like someone saying "never put your cryptography project on Github, it's dangerous!" This person isn't necessarily saying "Go build this if you have trouble breathing", it's a proof of concept.