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> Also, the Italian government plans to hire a ton of medical and paramedical staff, money has been earmarked. Where will this staff be coming from ? Are there
by seemslegit 7y ago
> Also, the Italian government plans to hire a ton of medical and paramedical staff, money has been earmarked.
Where will this staff be coming from ? Are there medical professionals currently unemployed in Italy or working in other jobs ?
- merpnderp 7y agoLikely retirees and early graduation from students.
- dboreham 7y agoI watched an interview with one of the Italian Drs. He said they were using retired medical staff and also cancelling routine procedures which frees up staff, and they are remote training staff from other specialities.
- eecc 7y agoThey’re also handing out IKEA leaflets to orthopedists about how ICU and ventilators work; and sending them to production. It’s insane. It’s trench warfare
- Recursing 7y agoThe source for that is a random tweet that contained a lot of misinformation and false statement. No Italian friend working in the medical sector was able to confirm that it even makes any sense, and there are no official sources for that
- mgreenleaf 7y agoThe UK is planning to re-train other medical staff to deal with respiratory illness. I think that probably includes things like psychologists, etc. who have medical experience and can quickly be brought up to speed. Might be something like that.
- seemslegit 7y ago> "I think that probably includes things like psychologists, etc. who have medical experience and can quickly be brought up to speed. Might be something like that. Uh, psychologists have zero medical training or experience - maybe they could explain the patients their respiratory failure is a symptom of insecure attachment patterns. If you mean psychiatrists, there aren't that many of them to move the needle.
- harvey9 7y agoNo need to be harsh. What is moving the needle is postponing elective surgery. There are a lot of anaesthetists and they are medics who can manage patients on ventilators.
- fma 7y agoAnd the equipment...my understanding is that ventilators are critical for those who have severe cases. Can't just magically wish for tens of thousands of ventilators....
- yulaow 7y agoIn italy one and the only factory of ventilators which was selling worldwide 250 units per month is now producing 500-600 per month exclusively for the italian hospitals (and past orders not yet sent abroad were blocked bt the government and redirected to italian hospitals) for the next ten months. https://youtu.be/7Iz5tWb9f8A https://youtu.be/7Iz5tWb9f8A [hoping the english subtitles work]
- maxerickson 7y agoThe translated subtitles seem reasonable. I had to go in and switch it to translating to English.
- raphaelj 7y agoMost hospitalised people will only need non invasive respiratory support and surveillance. I guess these cases could be handled by purposely trained health workers.
- gpm 7y agoBut we can just build them. At least we could if we weren't instead shutting down our economies. Look at the manufacturing ramp up that occurred during WWII for example.
- yulaow 7y agoYes, for example ~10000 people holding a degree in medicine were still awaiting to pass an abilitation exam which was removed today, allowing them to now work in the hospitals without it [ https://www.corriere.it/scuola/universita/20_marzo_13/coronavirus-proposta-medici-abilitati-senza-esame-9c0e87fa-654f-11ea-86da-7c7313c791fe.shtml https://www.corriere.it/scuola/universita/20_marzo_13/corona... ] A lot others already holding that certificaton were not working yet because positions in public hospitals where not accessible yet because of the turnover blocks put in place in the last decade while the government was trying to cut healthcare expenses.
- DoofusOfDeath 7y agoAFAIK, physicians in the U.S. are vexed by how many hours per day they spend dealing with insurers rather than patients. I wonder how many clinic-hours we could add to our capacity by some kind of moratorium on that level of paperwork.
- baq 7y agothere won't be any paperwork because there won't be any insurance. even your congress and senate realizes this by now. it's an unworkable proposition - you either bankrupt the 10-20% patients which require hospitalization or you bankrupt insurers. you're in for a revolution in healthcare.
- kazagistar 7y agoCongress just had to add a ton of exemptions to a bill to guarantee paid sick leave for CORVID, making it meaningless for a vast majority of americans, because of republican pushback. Never underestimate the greed and corruption baked into the influence channels in the USA.
- zaroth 7y agoThe problem with the House bill is that it puts employers on the hook for making the payments. You’re just ushering small businesses faster off the cliff of insolvency if you legally require them to pay workers while they are also legally required to be shut down. If the government is forcing a company to shut its doors, the government should be prepared to pay the employees “quarantine leave”.
- nradov 7y agoThe majority of patients who will require hospital care are already Medicare beneficiaries. And for many others, the insurers don't really bear any financial risk because they just process claims and pass the costs on to group buyers.
- giovan-ni 7y agoMostly by fast tracking newly graduated, who normally have to attend a 2 to 6 year long specialty school. This would amount to around 10 000 new hires, according to the Ministry of University.
- seemslegit 7y agoThis makes sense. I guess I expected it to have already happened, probably should tap into senior-year med and nursing students as well.