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Stay home except for essential needs
- smallgovt 7y agoService-based professionals who live paycheck by paycheck are screwed. What can the government do to get aid to these individuals ASAP?
- lm28469 7y agoNothing really, that's why it's important to have healthy regulations and safety nets before shit hits the fan.
- papito 7y agoWhich is why we have a, you know, society, to make sure we soften the blow when someone draws a short straw. But the answer will be what it always is - corporate tax cuts and trickle down voodoo.
- lookingforsome 7y agoBut, why would we pay for the lazy poor people? /s This current emergency only strengthens the argument for universal healthcare imo.
- davidw 7y agoCall your representative and Senators. There's a bill being discussed in DC right now. You might want to see how it relates to you and make your voice heard.
- muzz 7y agoCalifornia has had this in place for a few weeks now: https://www.edd.ca.gov/about_edd/coronavirus-2019.htm https://www.edd.ca.gov/about_edd/coronavirus-2019.htm
- nostromo 7y agoThat's beyond weak. Laid off service workers don't need job training or resume assistance.
- cultus 7y agoResume assistance in this situation; that's just insulting.
- alwaysdoit 7y ago> Reduced Work Hours > If your employer has reduced your hours or shut down operations due to COVID-19, you can file an Unemployment Insurance (UI) claim. UI provides partial wage replacement benefit payments to workers who lose their job or have their hours reduced, through no fault of their own. Workers who are temporarily unemployed due to COVID-19 and expected to return to work with their employer within a few weeks are not required to actively seek work each week. However, they must remain able and available and ready to work during their unemployment for each week of benefits claimed and meet all other eligibility criteria. Eligible individuals can receive benefits that range from $40-$450 per week. > The Governor’s Executive Order waives the one-week unpaid waiting period, so you can collect UI benefits for the first week you are out of work. If you are eligible, the EDD processes and issues payments within a few weeks of receiving a claim.
- smallgovt 7y agoThis seems to be for employees only. Are there benefits that are accessible to independent contractors like gig economy workers?
- inferiorhuman 7y agoNo. That's one of the key ways to differentiate between employees and contractors. Keep this in mind the next time you or anyone else cries bloody murder that the state was overreaching in requiring "gig economy" workers to be classified as employees.
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- chickenpotpie 7y agoEmergency UBI
- deedub 7y agoIf you are a service worker and your hours have been cut you need to file for unemployment immediately. You should be able to receive partial unemployment for the missed hours.
- wbl 7y agoSend big checks to everyone who filed a tax form, give employers money conditional on not laying everyone off.
- gnulinux 7y agoNothing. A lot of experts have been saying for years that millions of Americans lack a safety net, and politicians didn't care even the slightest bit. Now we're seeing real time millions of Americans becoming homeless.
- fzeroracer 7y agoASAP? Nothing, really. The American government operates at a glacial speed for various reasons and local governments are strapped for resources. What we needed to do was improve our safety nets approximately 10-15 years ago. Now we're seeing the end result when an actual crisis hits. The best we'll be able to get is some bandaids that'll mostly just be a way of appeasing businesses rather than helping individuals.
- raiyu 7y agoThe only way to combat this is to get checks into the hands of individuals. The government will most likely be providing a subsidy to the airline industry, they are already requesting $50B. Will the government step in to get 2 months pay to every individual, that is the big question. Given that the democratic debate yesterday was primarily focused on paying for the tests and care of coronavirus rather than the larger societal economic impact it will have, it's seems like a stretch. However, the one thing that Trump has proven is that he has definitely not done things like the establishment and given the poor handling of the crisis as well as it being an election year, a President sponsored bill to provide 2 months salary to every tax payer who is affected by this and under a certain level of income would certainly be one way to reclaim victory over this debacle.
- jason_zig 7y agoIf you have to go outside please keep your distance and wear a shirt like this one (https://socialdistanceshirt.com/products/social-distance-shirt https://socialdistanceshirt.com/products/social-distance-shi...) or a sign or something, there's zero need to spread this thing (accidentally or not) any more than absolutely necessary.
- kazinator 7y ago> What can the government do to get aid to these individuals ASAP? Here is something the government could do: basically suspend for 60 days, everything having to do with owing money to people who don't produce anything. That means: for 60 days, no interest is charged on any loans, and no rent can be collected, and no taxes of any kind can be collected on anything.
- christkv 7y agoWhat do they do with all the homeless ?
- muzz 7y agoThey'll be put in hotel rooms Edit: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article241216061.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article241216061.html
- DoreenMichele 7y agoNot all of them. https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/ https://streetlifesolutions.blogspot.com/
- sombremesa 7y agoThat didn't go well for Seattle. https://q13fox.com/2020/03/13/king-county-changes-policy-for-kent-motel-after-homeless-person-leaves-quarantine-site-shoplifts-from-nearby-store/ https://q13fox.com/2020/03/13/king-county-changes-policy-for... Edit: Not sure why adding information to the discussion is being downvoted - I didn't even convey an opinion. Maybe this is a sign that HN is now Reddit 2. This is my last post here. Heading to Wikipedia, where at least facts are appreciated. Hope the like-minded ones join me.
- FalconSensei 7y agoIn a sense, that's why I prefer Twitter. At least people have to actually reply to you if they don't like your post
- tus88 7y agoThey are obviously exempt.
- wool_gather 7y agoUnfortunately they're not exempt from the disease. :/
- wellthisisgreat 7y agoWhat is essential job?
- avip 7y agoIf you're not sure if your job is essential or not, it's not.
- brigade 7y agoI wouldn’t necessarily think that Best Buy or Office Max were essential, but they seem to be exempted as essential because they sell equipment to enable working from home
- skookum 7y agoAny job not performed by a cat or a boa constrictor in a Richard Scarry book is non-essential.
- selimthegrim 7y agoI thought they are all wearing hard hats except the mayor
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- madengr 7y agoThey have no idea. A grocery store worker is essential, until the freezer craps out, at which time a HVAC repairman is essential, who needs a part delivered via FedEX, who needs a functioning airport, etc. There are too many micro-essentials to count.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoWhile it's true that it's going to be partly played by ear, HVAC repairmen, shipping, and airports are explicitly noted as essential services.
- fennecfoxen 7y agoThe government has likely overstepped its legal authority here. It is likely a violation of Constitutional rights for the government to declare that you may not visit other people in person, and it takes a damn high bar to clear the necessary scrutiny to render it legal — high enough that courts have declared some Ebola quarantines in the US to be a violation of civil liberties (see: Kaci Hickox). I am curious to see how long this lasts, and whether there will be lawsuits to that effect. (Also. I am being modded down for this for no apparent good reason. This is not a violation of my civil liberties, though there may be ways to make HN a better place that are more consistent with site guidelines.)
- Der_Einzige 7y agoIt literally doesn't matter what the courts say. "The Constitution is not a Suicide Pact". Lincoln got away with throwing out Habeas corpus during the Civil War. California will get away with this on the grounds of an unprecedented national emergency.
- tengbretson 7y ago> California will get away with this on the grounds of an unprecedented national emergency. Can we at least wait til the US body count reaches 3 digits before saying stuff like this?
- jeromegv 7y agoYou are an awful person, please look at what is happening in Europe, we are WAY past the moment to act.
- Retric 7y agoWhat advantage does waiting provide? It’s not like the disease is less deadly because 100 million people have it vs 100 thousand. Theoretically the most efficient approach might be to quarantine only the sick or elderly, but that’s unlikely to work well. Doing absolutely nothing would cost millions of lives. So, I really don’t see any good options only some hard choices ahead. PS: The only state without known infections is not testing people. Exponential growth is a bitch at this point.
- duxup 7y agoNot in SF, but they closed the schools were I am. I went to pick up my kid's medication and iPad at school today. They opened their library and were letting kids checkout extra books to take home. I thought that was a nice gesture.
- kbos87 7y agoArmchair civil libertarians pontificating about whether or not it is technically legal are doing nothing other than distracting. I want and need the full force of the government in a time like this to see us through this, as do a lot of people. Right now we are seeing a severe under-reaction. At this moment to argue about whether or not the government can do something it should do for the greater good doesn’t help us.
- earthtourist 7y agoWe should all be very happy this is finally happening, even if it is a huge inconvenience. The important thing to remember is that society definitely will return to normal. It's just a matter of time. The math tells us that ~95% people will get through this with a week or two of downtime, rendering them immunized against this virus, and then they'll be right back to work. These extreme measures are to ensure as many people as possible survive hospitalization. We're all saving lives by staying home.
- milesskorpen 7y agoFrom what I've heard & read, we don't actually know that people are rendered immune — and even if they are, we don't know how long the immunity would last.
- r00fus 7y agoDoes the re-infection result from there being at least 2 distinct strains of COVID-19?
- beefalo 7y agoFrom what I've read, it seemed uncertain if it was a re-infection or the person simply hadn't fully recovered and their symptoms had resurged
- sojournerc 7y agoIt's not even a re- infection necessarily. Second test could have been a false negative.
- wool_gather 7y agoThis seems iffy; I don't think the reports from last week that people in China and Japan who were sent home and then tested positive again have been really confirmed. Do we have new info on that? We should be seeing more instances in Europe if it's a real phenomenon. Even if it turns out that immunity doesn't happen, I don't think it changes the reaction that we need at this moment. It will change our decisions going forward, of course.
- manigandham 7y agoUnfortunately SF has failed in civic responsibility already. The crime, homeless, waste and other issues will hit it hard, on top of the high cost of living that affects everyone without a high-paying remote-capable job. SF (and other cities) need to focus on speedy testing and recovery at this point, not more quarantine.
- Guest42 7y agoSan Francisco is one of the most successful cities in the world.
- manigandham 7y agoWhat does "successful" mean? Money? They certainly aren't spending it well.
- madengr 7y agoReminds me of the Southpark episode with Cartman in the moonsuit.
- chickenpotpie 7y agoPeople are forgetting that any preventative action in a pandemic will seem like an overreaction because it is a PREVENTATIVE action. We're not reacting to a few people having COVID-19, we're reacting to the millions we know will have COVID-19.
- avip 7y agoBy definition, any successful preventive action would always look like an overreaction.
- chickenpotpie 7y agoExactly what I'm getting at. We can't judge our reactions to the current circumstances because that's not what we're reacting to.
- arwhatever 7y agoBut we can sure as hell judge our current reactions based on the direction the infection charts are pointing!
- cameldrv 7y agoWe will see the difference though. The people in places that overreacted can compare themselves with people in places that underreact.
- FalconSensei 7y agoLike South Korea and China compared to EU?
- cameldrv 7y agoYep. Also Hong Kong and Taiwan.
- airstrike 7y ago
- vintermann 7y agoIn English, Spanish and... Filipino? Is that a major language in SF for some reason?
- egh 7y agoyes
- GrifMD 7y ago~320,000 citizens of Filipino decent in the Bay according to the 2000 census, so yes it's a big population, though I know that number doesn't reflect Filipino as a person's primary language, but still it's a good indicator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Filipino_Americans#San_Francisco_Bay_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Filipino_Ameri...
- inferiorhuman 7y agoYes there is a large (aging) pinoy population in San Francisco and Daly City. Do you think they just pick languages for fun?
- _delirium 7y agoAccording to census estimates, the most spoken languages in SF besides English are: Chinese (152k), Spanish (90k), and Filipino (24k): https://sfgov.org/oceia/language-diversity-data https://sfgov.org/oceia/language-diversity-data
- p1mrx 7y ago> "Can I leave home to visit friends or family members if there is no urgent need?" "No." It will be interesting to see what happens to a society when sex is effectively prohibited for months.
- majormajor 7y agoGood chance that there's more sex, not less, throughout all this. Could be a bunch of babies coming! Fewer hookups, sure... but lots of people have sex with steady partners that they'll be stuck in place with.
- bmmayer1 7y ago"It is mandatory. This Order is a legal Order issued under the authority of California law. You are required to comply, and it is a misdemeanor crime not to follow the order (although the intent is not for anyone to get into trouble)." What does this mean regarding enforcement? Are people going to get ticketed / jailed? Will the police be out in force to check papers?
- FalconSensei 7y agoMaybe not now, but thats whats happening in Italy