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Chapter 7 Bankruptcy where they get acquired by a newly-reformed Sun Microsystems (where no stock is owned by Oracle or Oracle shareholders). EDIT: I'm mostly

by hajile 7y ago

Chapter 7 Bankruptcy where they get acquired by a newly-reformed Sun Microsystems (where no stock is owned by Oracle or Oracle shareholders). EDIT: I'm mostly kidding, but you can't really expect true change of morals when the vast majority of the upper management is the same under the new CEO as under the old one.

ChuckMcM 7y ago
As a former Sun employee I love this comment, but in all fairness Sun did have its own level of sleaze in the C suite (neither Eric Schmidt nor Scott McNealy would really do well as ethical leader exemplars) That said, I'm thinking Moon Microsystems :-) Not as big or as hot as Sun. (ok that is a bad punalogy) I did get the domain though, it was available and I couldn't resist.
- 205guy 7y ago
  Under certain conditions, can eclipse the the Sun. "Eclipse" ... now there is a name I haven't heard in a long time. But can you make a cool logo out of "Moon"?
  - ChuckMcM 7y ago
    > But can you make a cool logo out of "Moon"? No, but with minor butchery you can re-use the Sun logo with the letters MMS (Moon Micro Systems) :-)
CSSer 7y ago
At the risk of sounding somewhat naive, I think people do have the capacity to grow over time. Perhaps part of the reason why Microsoft has seemingly turned over a new leaf in recent years is that upper management has learned from their past mistakes? I do see your point though, and I think it's stuck in the back of a lot of our minds.
- FooBarWidget 7y ago
  Not to mention that upper management doesn't consist of the same people as 15 years ago.
  - adventured 7y ago
    Most of Microsoft's anti-trust related behavior was in the 1990s. Closer to 25 years ago. Merely a quarter of a century. There's something hilariously farcical about holding a grudge toward Microsoft for a quarter of a century.
    - yebyen 7y ago
      It's not so much a grudge as a reaction, call it an immuno-type response. I shed my MS-OS Windows Desktop addiction over 20 years ago to become a desktop Linux user and I still see my co-workers struggling every day with many of the same issues I haven't had to cope with anymore since then. Ever since I have been able to get the Microsoft out of my systems, I find myself naturally predisposed to keep it out. I am not against Microsoft, I really am a fan of a lot of the open and developer-focused things they are doing, certainly not least of which is their support for Kubernetes through Azure, but this does not make me more receptive to going back to living in a Microsoft OS-flavored ecosystem today, it just is not happening for me and it's nothing to do with holding a grudge or similar. I use a Mac now because it was provided by work, if they offer me a trade for a Windows machine I would probably consider it because of the progress made by WSL2, but our group policy lags somewhat behind and certainly not on insider ring, so none of my coworkers have been able to try WSL2 on their work-provided Windows machines, or likely will for some time, and that makes me seriously think twice about it. My natural inclination is that I would much rather install Linux as the host OS so I have control over things like when updates get applied, or whether a reboot needs to take place immediately, in spite of the struggle that sometimes comes with that, it is really much better to have the source and keep the capability to control your own hardware. And then only run Windows in a VM whenever it is really needed. (In other words, to be able to occasionally run Windows apps in a similar way as I do when I have to use them on a Mac.)
    - 7y ago
prepend 7y ago
I think Sun was worse than MS. Your scenario would terrify me. Sun’s hardware was expensive although their software was nice. Their handling of Java put me off them and led to this current state with Oracle. They had many positives, but I’d rather have old Microsoft than old Sun if I had to pick only one to eat everything. Definitely prefer new Microsoft.

by hajile 7y ago

ChuckMcM 7y ago

As a former Sun employee I love this comment, but in all fairness Sun did have its own level of sleaze in the C suite (neither Eric Schmidt nor Scott McNealy would really do well as ethical leader exemplars) That said, I'm thinking Moon Microsystems :-) Not as big or as hot as Sun. (ok that is a bad punalogy) I did get the domain though, it was available and I couldn't resist.

205guy 7y ago
Under certain conditions, can eclipse the the Sun. "Eclipse" ... now there is a name I haven't heard in a long time. But can you make a cool logo out of "Moon"?
- ChuckMcM 7y ago
  > But can you make a cool logo out of "Moon"? No, but with minor butchery you can re-use the Sun logo with the letters MMS (Moon Micro Systems) :-)

CSSer 7y ago

At the risk of sounding somewhat naive, I think people do have the capacity to grow over time. Perhaps part of the reason why Microsoft has seemingly turned over a new leaf in recent years is that upper management has learned from their past mistakes? I do see your point though, and I think it's stuck in the back of a lot of our minds.

FooBarWidget 7y ago
Not to mention that upper management doesn't consist of the same people as 15 years ago.
- adventured 7y ago
  Most of Microsoft's anti-trust related behavior was in the 1990s. Closer to 25 years ago. Merely a quarter of a century. There's something hilariously farcical about holding a grudge toward Microsoft for a quarter of a century.
  - yebyen 7y ago
    It's not so much a grudge as a reaction, call it an immuno-type response. I shed my MS-OS Windows Desktop addiction over 20 years ago to become a desktop Linux user and I still see my co-workers struggling every day with many of the same issues I haven't had to cope with anymore since then. Ever since I have been able to get the Microsoft out of my systems, I find myself naturally predisposed to keep it out. I am not against Microsoft, I really am a fan of a lot of the open and developer-focused things they are doing, certainly not least of which is their support for Kubernetes through Azure, but this does not make me more receptive to going back to living in a Microsoft OS-flavored ecosystem today, it just is not happening for me and it's nothing to do with holding a grudge or similar. I use a Mac now because it was provided by work, if they offer me a trade for a Windows machine I would probably consider it because of the progress made by WSL2, but our group policy lags somewhat behind and certainly not on insider ring, so none of my coworkers have been able to try WSL2 on their work-provided Windows machines, or likely will for some time, and that makes me seriously think twice about it. My natural inclination is that I would much rather install Linux as the host OS so I have control over things like when updates get applied, or whether a reboot needs to take place immediately, in spite of the struggle that sometimes comes with that, it is really much better to have the source and keep the capability to control your own hardware. And then only run Windows in a VM whenever it is really needed. (In other words, to be able to occasionally run Windows apps in a similar way as I do when I have to use them on a Mac.)
  - 7y ago

prepend 7y ago

I think Sun was worse than MS. Your scenario would terrify me. Sun’s hardware was expensive although their software was nice. Their handling of Java put me off them and led to this current state with Oracle. They had many positives, but I’d rather have old Microsoft than old Sun if I had to pick only one to eat everything. Definitely prefer new Microsoft.