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IMO the only question now is how long it takes the rest of the country to follow suite. Here in NC our governor announced the closing of all public schools on F

by Merad 7y ago

IMO the only question now is how long it takes the rest of the country to follow suite. Here in NC our governor announced the closing of all public schools on Friday, but I've heard from several friends that in my city (Raleigh) the downtown bars and restaurants were pretty much at normal capacity this weekend. I don't think the general public is going to truly take this seriously until they're told that they have to.

dhosek 7y ago
Illinois announced restaurants and bars closed except for pickup/delivery effective after close of business on Monday.
- heywire 7y ago
  Ohio as well.
- listenallyall 7y ago
  Help me understand this logic... it's not OK for customers to be a few feet away from other people in the dining area of a restaurant, but it's OK for low-paid (and often undocumented) line cooks and chefs, etc, to be right next to each other, interacting, sweating and toiling away in a hot kitchen? These people are heroes if they choose to show up for work, especially since takeout orders hardly tip.
  - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
    It’s more OK, because the pool of customers is constantly rotating while the pool of line cooks is mostly static. Incidental contact from picking up food is much less infectious than breathing the same air for an hour.
    - listenallyall 7y ago
      What? All the cooks are breathing the same air for an entire shift, in a smaller, hotter, enclosed area.
      - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        Right. What matters is that they’re the same set of cooks, so if an infection spreads the number of people it can spread to is limited.
        listenallyall 7y ago
        No, it's not the same set, and it's not limited. Employees have different shifts, days off, vacation, callouts, etc. They all still go home after work and interact with their family. And the working conditions essentially guarantee that if one person is carrying the virus, everyone in the kitchen will get it, which is certainly not true in front-of-house. This is a government policy that essentially tells low-paid line cooks and kitchen staff they are disposable and a lower priority than all the relatively wealthy people whose meals they are preparing.
        SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        You’re looking at this through a very weird lens. Low paid line cooks and kitchen staff are the ones who most need this, because they don’t have savings or a month of food stocked - where are they going to get their own food for the duration of the shutdown? It’s absolutely true that it’s still a transmission vector, but human society can’t function with zero transmission vectors.
        listenallyall 7y ago
        Yes, they need to work, but they -- and front-of-house staff -- would be far better off with restaurants that are open and functioning. Perhaps not at 100%, but they could certainly allow half-capacity or "shift seating". I'm sorry but it's simply a very bad look, when it is mandated by the government. Nearly everyone else has the luxury of remaining isolated and avoiding exposure, except for this small segment of vulnerable and low-paid workers, whose workplace has almost zero protection, to provide the most essential human necessity -- food.
        7y ago
Cyph0n 7y ago
I also live in the Raleigh area, and it has just been baffling how care-free everyone is...
- reedx8 7y ago
  The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    That's categorically false. Read more, and get educated.
    - reedx8 7y ago
      There’s nothing false about it. Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%, let alone the infection rate is very low as well. The incubation period is long and symptoms for most are mild, so it’s here to stay as it’s easily spreadable. I dont understand your position!
      - zozbot234 7y ago
        > Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2% These fatality rate estimates assume top quality medical care. And this crisis is quite simply not "here to stay"; decisive measures can definitely "flatten the curve" and perhaps even lower R0 so much that the virus stops spreading altogether, and cases start dropping towards zero.
      - klipt 7y ago
        > Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2% Assuming no medical treatment because the medical system is already full? I doubt it.
      - ncallaway 7y ago
        "There’s nothing false about it." Actually many of the statements from your post were absolutely false. "Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%" For a typical seasonal influenza, the fatality rate for that age bracket is around 0.01%, so this is much more lethal to those people than the flue. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-...
EvanAnderson 7y ago
Ohio closed restaurants and bars effective 9 PM local time. I hope it gets people to take this more seriously.
baus 7y ago
I have family in Raleigh, and I’m concerned that with the known Biogen cases and the lack of “social distancing” that there might be a major outbreak there
rubicon33 7y ago
Just look at some of the comments in this very thread, calling for us to adopt the "UK model". It's clear that some people DO NOT see this as a threat worth worrying about. Shame on them, I say. They're probably the same idiots that show up to work sick, and cough without covering their mouth around others. A lot of people who apparently don't believe in biology, and don't have the ability to see past their own 2 feet.
- icelancer 7y ago
  The UK model sees this very much as a threat. They are just taking different action to address it.
- eeh 7y ago
  The UK model also happens to be the Germany model: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 . The UK are focused on minimising deaths, by avoiding COVID-19 striking during next winter, when the NHS is at peak load due to winter flu. Instead, they will guide the first strike towards summer (NHS's least load), and impose measures to protect at-risk folk during that time.
  - Faark 7y ago
    I'm not sure what the the "UK model" is, but schools don't seem to be closed there (are here in Germany) and I can't find good info about mass events being banned. The best term I found for Germany's policy is "flattening the curve", while UK news seem to describe theirs as "herd immunity". Sure, there will be overlap in policy, but wouldn't call it the same model.
    - eeh 7y ago
      https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1238821515526897664 https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/12388215155... is a UK modeller explaining that there has been a misreporting of UK's plan: UK aims to flatten the curve and reduce deaths. Herd immunity "is a tragic consequence of having a virus that - based on current evidence - is unlikely to be fully controllable in long term in the UK." It's a bit longer, but here's the Chief Medical Officer talking about the UK's response. https://youtu.be/IfJcwDaZrsA https://youtu.be/IfJcwDaZrsA UK is progressively adding lockdown too, per the response's plan.
notyourday 7y ago
NYC bars/lounges were packed Friday and Saturday. The bar staff that I follow on IG was giggly at the amount of money they were making telling people to keep coming in. The sad thing is it were places popular with the crowds that live paycheck to paycheck most of whom cannot afford any sort of medical emergency or being under a forced quarantine.
- widowlark 7y ago
  I bet having to pay for COVID-19 treatment will cost them more than a paycheck though

by Merad 7y ago

dhosek 7y ago

Illinois announced restaurants and bars closed except for pickup/delivery effective after close of business on Monday.

heywire 7y ago
Ohio as well.
listenallyall 7y ago
Help me understand this logic... it's not OK for customers to be a few feet away from other people in the dining area of a restaurant, but it's OK for low-paid (and often undocumented) line cooks and chefs, etc, to be right next to each other, interacting, sweating and toiling away in a hot kitchen? These people are heroes if they choose to show up for work, especially since takeout orders hardly tip.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
  It’s more OK, because the pool of customers is constantly rotating while the pool of line cooks is mostly static. Incidental contact from picking up food is much less infectious than breathing the same air for an hour.
  - listenallyall 7y ago
    What? All the cooks are breathing the same air for an entire shift, in a smaller, hotter, enclosed area.
    - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
      Right. What matters is that they’re the same set of cooks, so if an infection spreads the number of people it can spread to is limited.
      - listenallyall 7y ago
        No, it's not the same set, and it's not limited. Employees have different shifts, days off, vacation, callouts, etc. They all still go home after work and interact with their family. And the working conditions essentially guarantee that if one person is carrying the virus, everyone in the kitchen will get it, which is certainly not true in front-of-house. This is a government policy that essentially tells low-paid line cooks and kitchen staff they are disposable and a lower priority than all the relatively wealthy people whose meals they are preparing.
        SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        You’re looking at this through a very weird lens. Low paid line cooks and kitchen staff are the ones who most need this, because they don’t have savings or a month of food stocked - where are they going to get their own food for the duration of the shutdown? It’s absolutely true that it’s still a transmission vector, but human society can’t function with zero transmission vectors.
        listenallyall 7y ago
        Yes, they need to work, but they -- and front-of-house staff -- would be far better off with restaurants that are open and functioning. Perhaps not at 100%, but they could certainly allow half-capacity or "shift seating". I'm sorry but it's simply a very bad look, when it is mandated by the government. Nearly everyone else has the luxury of remaining isolated and avoiding exposure, except for this small segment of vulnerable and low-paid workers, whose workplace has almost zero protection, to provide the most essential human necessity -- food.
        7y ago

Cyph0n 7y ago

I also live in the Raleigh area, and it has just been baffling how care-free everyone is...

reedx8 7y ago
The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  That's categorically false. Read more, and get educated.
  - reedx8 7y ago
    There’s nothing false about it. Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%, let alone the infection rate is very low as well. The incubation period is long and symptoms for most are mild, so it’s here to stay as it’s easily spreadable. I dont understand your position!
    - zozbot234 7y ago
      > Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2% These fatality rate estimates assume top quality medical care. And this crisis is quite simply not "here to stay"; decisive measures can definitely "flatten the curve" and perhaps even lower R0 so much that the virus stops spreading altogether, and cases start dropping towards zero.
    - klipt 7y ago
      > Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2% Assuming no medical treatment because the medical system is already full? I doubt it.
    - ncallaway 7y ago
      "There’s nothing false about it." Actually many of the statements from your post were absolutely false. "Fatality rate for 50 and below is a paltry 0.2%" For a typical seasonal influenza, the fatality rate for that age bracket is around 0.01%, so this is much more lethal to those people than the flue. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-...

EvanAnderson 7y ago

Ohio closed restaurants and bars effective 9 PM local time. I hope it gets people to take this more seriously.

baus 7y ago

I have family in Raleigh, and I’m concerned that with the known Biogen cases and the lack of “social distancing” that there might be a major outbreak there

rubicon33 7y ago

Just look at some of the comments in this very thread, calling for us to adopt the "UK model". It's clear that some people DO NOT see this as a threat worth worrying about. Shame on them, I say. They're probably the same idiots that show up to work sick, and cough without covering their mouth around others. A lot of people who apparently don't believe in biology, and don't have the ability to see past their own 2 feet.

icelancer 7y ago
The UK model sees this very much as a threat. They are just taking different action to address it.
eeh 7y ago
The UK model also happens to be the Germany model: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856 . The UK are focused on minimising deaths, by avoiding COVID-19 striking during next winter, when the NHS is at peak load due to winter flu. Instead, they will guide the first strike towards summer (NHS's least load), and impose measures to protect at-risk folk during that time.
- Faark 7y ago
  I'm not sure what the the "UK model" is, but schools don't seem to be closed there (are here in Germany) and I can't find good info about mass events being banned. The best term I found for Germany's policy is "flattening the curve", while UK news seem to describe theirs as "herd immunity". Sure, there will be overlap in policy, but wouldn't call it the same model.
  - eeh 7y ago
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1238821515526897664 https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/12388215155... is a UK modeller explaining that there has been a misreporting of UK's plan: UK aims to flatten the curve and reduce deaths. Herd immunity "is a tragic consequence of having a virus that - based on current evidence - is unlikely to be fully controllable in long term in the UK." It's a bit longer, but here's the Chief Medical Officer talking about the UK's response. https://youtu.be/IfJcwDaZrsA https://youtu.be/IfJcwDaZrsA UK is progressively adding lockdown too, per the response's plan.

notyourday 7y ago

NYC bars/lounges were packed Friday and Saturday. The bar staff that I follow on IG was giggly at the amount of money they were making telling people to keep coming in. The sad thing is it were places popular with the crowds that live paycheck to paycheck most of whom cannot afford any sort of medical emergency or being under a forced quarantine.

widowlark 7y ago
I bet having to pay for COVID-19 treatment will cost them more than a paycheck though