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A few solutions worth evaluating, especially w/ what is going on right now with the increased demand to securely support remote work: 1. Zscaler ZPA - closed s

by gz5 7y ago

A few solutions worth evaluating, especially w/ what is going on right now with the increased demand to securely support remote work: 1. Zscaler ZPA - closed source but from a market leader 2. Palo Alto - subjective if true zero trust but if you already have PA... 3. Akamai - based on a SDP acquisition which had good tech - not sure what Akamai has done with it 4. NetFoundry - both open source and SaaS options 5. Nebula - strengths for east-west microservices. Open source from Slack. 6. Tailscale - listed above. New but open source. 7. Appgate - closed source but nice implementation of the use cases it targets. 8. Illumio - a more mature version of Nebula; also targeted at east-west. 9. Centrify - closed source but solid option for IAM focused use cases. 10. Perimeter81 - not familiar with it but is well regarded. 11. Cloudflare - relatively new solution but leverages their network nicely 12. Duo - certainly was a nice solution - not sure what Cisco has done with it. 13. ZeroTier - not familiar but adding per comments below * Edits - added 11-13 per comments below in attempt to make this a more comprehensive list.

api 7y ago
I typically don't shill around here, but why isn't ZeroTier on that list? I suppose we don't have a giant marketing budget (yet). We do have a product used by hundreds of thousands for years and it has microsegmentation and other nifty stuff like multicast. https://www.zerotier.com/ https://www.zerotier.com/ Also not everything on that list is the same. Some of those are app-level gateways, IAM infrastructure, etc. That's a bag of stuff for different use cases. Some of that stuff is also cloud proxy based, not mesh based. Maybe some people don't care but I'm heavily biased toward peer-to-peer mesh. I find it offensively stupid for packets to travel 1000 miles to reach a system next to me or in the same city. Of course I guess everything has a use case. I might opt for a cloud proxy if the bandwidth were low, the users and/or customer were non-technical, and it was all web stuff.
- nif2ee 7y ago
  > I typically don't shill around here, but why isn't ZeroTier on that list? I suppose we don't have a giant marketing budget (yet). now you know, nothing here is just coincidental, not even the timing the posts are submitted or the type of comments that get quickly upvoted or buried to derail the discussion in a certain direction or even the links injected in comments of popular threads to improve the SEO of some companies and projects. Every, again EVERY, WireGuard post over the past 2 months has instantly converted into a shilling party for this company that literally has no product to offer, its source-code is pre-alpha state yet the party is persistent for every thread, it seems that the owners have really powerful friends all over the place and that's why they're having free ride despite having no product. This recipe for having a popular startup name with no actual product has really worked very well in the easy times of 2014-2020. Let's see how things work out this time
- 0az 7y ago
  I've been using ZeroTier for a small collection of two devices plus two servers. Honestly, the main pain points I have are UX: Android and Dashboard. Other than that, I have no complaints.
  - api 7y ago
    Yep, UX is gonna get some love, especially desktop GUIs. The current ones are going to get led behind the barn for the Old Yeller treatment soon. We have generally been focusing on behind the scenes tech more than GUIs so far.
    - omnifischer 7y ago
      Thank you 'api. I have been using zt at the university group of about 60 users. Must say it is very reliable. As for UI, we are OK with it. But one thing is firewall config is too complex. Not enough examples: Recently I saw that zt-laduke posted a simple bridge tutorial on reddit. Would be great if you made some examples in your wiki. 1. Allow only samba traffic 2. Allow only ssh traffic 3. Allow only RDP I am sure is kinda popular at r/datahoarder and related communities. May be you need to apply for a GSOC type project - so that academics start using it (will then later get used in corporate).
- jiveturkey 7y ago
  > I find it offensively stupid for packets to travel 1000 miles to reach a system next to me or in the same city. 1. Security isn't an absolute. 2. Defense in depth. PDR (protect, detect, respond) is a well regarded strategy, for good reason. All of these are easier when done centrally (cloud proxy based). Detect can be particularly difficult to do well in mesh. You probably find it offensively stupid because zerotier doesn't have a Detect component, nor integration for one, nor any kind of consideration for it at all.
ejcx 7y ago
I'm a Cloudflare employee, so obviously biased (shilling incoming). Cloudflare Access is worth having on the list (and it's free right now [1]). It is a pretty flexible identity aware proxy, and ssh gateway. We use it internally for those two things for basically all of our infrastructure and internal applications. If it works for you that's awesome, if not (or you have just general questions) I'd love to hear feedback about why not / what else you might be interested in. I work on our security team but work really closely with the access team, so would be happy to pass on feedback to them. 1 - https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-during-the-coronavirus-emergency/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-during-the-coronaviru...
saxonww 7y ago
Duo Security (Cisco) has the Duo Network Gateway also.
notlukesky 7y ago
Also free to add SAASPASS as well. More available here at: https://www.saaspass.com/ https://www.saaspass.com/ Disclosure: I work for a SI that implements SAASPASS and Zero trust IAM solutions.

by gz5 7y ago

api 7y ago

I typically don't shill around here, but why isn't ZeroTier on that list? I suppose we don't have a giant marketing budget (yet). We do have a product used by hundreds of thousands for years and it has microsegmentation and other nifty stuff like multicast. https://www.zerotier.com/ https://www.zerotier.com/ Also not everything on that list is the same. Some of those are app-level gateways, IAM infrastructure, etc. That's a bag of stuff for different use cases. Some of that stuff is also cloud proxy based, not mesh based. Maybe some people don't care but I'm heavily biased toward peer-to-peer mesh. I find it offensively stupid for packets to travel 1000 miles to reach a system next to me or in the same city. Of course I guess everything has a use case. I might opt for a cloud proxy if the bandwidth were low, the users and/or customer were non-technical, and it was all web stuff.

nif2ee 7y ago
> I typically don't shill around here, but why isn't ZeroTier on that list? I suppose we don't have a giant marketing budget (yet). now you know, nothing here is just coincidental, not even the timing the posts are submitted or the type of comments that get quickly upvoted or buried to derail the discussion in a certain direction or even the links injected in comments of popular threads to improve the SEO of some companies and projects. Every, again EVERY, WireGuard post over the past 2 months has instantly converted into a shilling party for this company that literally has no product to offer, its source-code is pre-alpha state yet the party is persistent for every thread, it seems that the owners have really powerful friends all over the place and that's why they're having free ride despite having no product. This recipe for having a popular startup name with no actual product has really worked very well in the easy times of 2014-2020. Let's see how things work out this time
0az 7y ago
I've been using ZeroTier for a small collection of two devices plus two servers. Honestly, the main pain points I have are UX: Android and Dashboard. Other than that, I have no complaints.
- api 7y ago
  Yep, UX is gonna get some love, especially desktop GUIs. The current ones are going to get led behind the barn for the Old Yeller treatment soon. We have generally been focusing on behind the scenes tech more than GUIs so far.
  - omnifischer 7y ago
    Thank you 'api. I have been using zt at the university group of about 60 users. Must say it is very reliable. As for UI, we are OK with it. But one thing is firewall config is too complex. Not enough examples: Recently I saw that zt-laduke posted a simple bridge tutorial on reddit. Would be great if you made some examples in your wiki. 1. Allow only samba traffic 2. Allow only ssh traffic 3. Allow only RDP I am sure is kinda popular at r/datahoarder and related communities. May be you need to apply for a GSOC type project - so that academics start using it (will then later get used in corporate).
jiveturkey 7y ago
> I find it offensively stupid for packets to travel 1000 miles to reach a system next to me or in the same city. 1. Security isn't an absolute. 2. Defense in depth. PDR (protect, detect, respond) is a well regarded strategy, for good reason. All of these are easier when done centrally (cloud proxy based). Detect can be particularly difficult to do well in mesh. You probably find it offensively stupid because zerotier doesn't have a Detect component, nor integration for one, nor any kind of consideration for it at all.

ejcx 7y ago

I'm a Cloudflare employee, so obviously biased (shilling incoming). Cloudflare Access is worth having on the list (and it's free right now [1]). It is a pretty flexible identity aware proxy, and ssh gateway. We use it internally for those two things for basically all of our infrastructure and internal applications. If it works for you that's awesome, if not (or you have just general questions) I'd love to hear feedback about why not / what else you might be interested in. I work on our security team but work really closely with the access team, so would be happy to pass on feedback to them. 1 - https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-during-the-coronavirus-emergency/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-during-the-coronaviru...

saxonww 7y ago

Duo Security (Cisco) has the Duo Network Gateway also.

notlukesky 7y ago

Also free to add SAASPASS as well. More available here at: https://www.saaspass.com/ https://www.saaspass.com/ Disclosure: I work for a SI that implements SAASPASS and Zero trust IAM solutions.