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Such wide and powerful statements like yours would benefit from being factually correct. >most of them don't even use the internet China internet penetration

by trhway 7y ago

Such wide and powerful statements like yours would benefit from being factually correct. >most of them don't even use the internet China internet penetration is 61% according to here https://www.chinainternetwatch.com/statistics/china-internet-users/ https://www.chinainternetwatch.com/statistics/china-internet... and similar numbers are shown elsewhere.

nradov 7y ago
That depends on how you define "Internet". If the Chinese national TCP/IP infrastructure is largely isolated from the rest of the world by the Great Firewall then can we legitimately call it part of the Internet?
- trhway 7y ago
  It is like saying that USSR didn't have TV/radio because foreign stations weren't rebroadcasted and were jammed. Technical infrastructure and censorship are 2 different things, and effective censorship in highly technical society emphasizes and illustrates the scale and capabilities of the authoritative power oppressing the population.
  - allovernow 7y ago
    TV and radio are broadcasted top down, and their power does not depend on users being able to access the rest of the world. Functionally for our intents and purposes there is little difference between having no internet and having a national intranet which is cut off from the rest of the world and literally policed by the government. Technically the walled garden FB wanted to set up in India was "internet" too. Plus as we've determined, the internet has spread to 60% of Chinese at best, and majority urban areas.
allovernow 7y ago
>China internet users in urban areas account for 73.7% of total internet users. Among the Chinese population who don’t access the internet (which is 541 million) Ok, sorry, I was off by 10%. That doesn't change my point that China is a nation of two worlds. Also, with the degree to which information is controlled in China, these are likely Chinese numbers. Are you sure you want to trust them?

by trhway 7y ago

nradov 7y ago

That depends on how you define "Internet". If the Chinese national TCP/IP infrastructure is largely isolated from the rest of the world by the Great Firewall then can we legitimately call it part of the Internet?

trhway 7y ago
It is like saying that USSR didn't have TV/radio because foreign stations weren't rebroadcasted and were jammed. Technical infrastructure and censorship are 2 different things, and effective censorship in highly technical society emphasizes and illustrates the scale and capabilities of the authoritative power oppressing the population.
- allovernow 7y ago
  TV and radio are broadcasted top down, and their power does not depend on users being able to access the rest of the world. Functionally for our intents and purposes there is little difference between having no internet and having a national intranet which is cut off from the rest of the world and literally policed by the government. Technically the walled garden FB wanted to set up in India was "internet" too. Plus as we've determined, the internet has spread to 60% of Chinese at best, and majority urban areas.

allovernow 7y ago

>China internet users in urban areas account for 73.7% of total internet users. Among the Chinese population who don’t access the internet (which is 541 million) Ok, sorry, I was off by 10%. That doesn't change my point that China is a nation of two worlds. Also, with the degree to which information is controlled in China, these are likely Chinese numbers. Are you sure you want to trust them?