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Coronavirus: It is time for a radical acceptance of reality

50 points by WheelsAtLarge 7y ago

avalys 7y ago
If anyone runs into what seems to be a paywall written in German, click “Acceptiert” (spelling?) and you will get the English article. At least, this was my experience.
- AlexandrB 7y ago
  I think having an ad-blocker on breaks this and send you back to the paywall with a new warning.
DoreenMichele 7y ago
So, you click on this and you get an all German landing page, which I had trouble with at first. You need to click the orange button that says "akzeptieren" (I probably mispelled that, though) to continue to the article with ads and no subscription. The actual article is in English.
troughway 7y ago
Pasted here - https://pastebin.com/5Ben9q4w https://pastebin.com/5Ben9q4w
shalmanese 7y ago
> The only way to defeat this pandemic is to approach it with the seriousness it deserves. It is time for a radical acceptance of reality. This is all so surreal to me. Shouldn't we have taken this with the seriousness it deserves when China was locking down 700 million people? Like, even if you didn't believe what China was doing was correct, you should at least have been trying to formulate your best arguments over why China's reaction was wrong and looking for confirmatory and dis-confirmatory evidence over your arguments. Instead, we spent six weeks in a state of such basic blissful ignorance of China (& other early countries/cruise ships) that we're scrambling now because we don't even have the data to make the right decisions. For example, there was a case in Hong Kong where one person got it through the sewerage pipe of an infected person 10 floors above because they improperly modified their vent pipes: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3050068/coronavirus-your-toilet-how-hong-kong-policy https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic... . (This is a famous example of how SARS spread through Amoy Gardens in HK so HK people are hyper paranoid about this infection route). This piece of news didn't even make a ripple in the West (I know because I have friends who work at SCMP and I asked them to look at the analytics, the only western media that picked up their story was... drudgereport.com) Friends I know in HK are like, "Yeah, the canto news covered this story quite widely so we're all pretty aware" but you can't find any English awareness of this. Even the C D FUCKING C is not aware of this, their page on fecal borne transmissions (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html) STILL says: "CDC is reviewing all data on COVID-19 transmission as information becomes available. At this time, the risk of transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewerage systems is thought to be low. Although transmission of COVID-19 through sewage may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred. This guidance will be updated as necessary as new evidence is assessed. SARS, a similar coronavirus, has been detected in untreated sewage for up to 2 to 14 days. In the 2003 SARS outbreak, there was documented transmission associated with sewage aerosols." The case in Hong Kong happened ONE MONTH ago and the CDC didn't even pick this up!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD?
- nraynaud 7y ago
  you can't lockdown too quickly, because you need a plan for removing the lockdown, otherwise you have to stay on lockdown forever. In this epidemic the lockdown is meant to avoid overwhelming the medical system while we get herd immunity (by contamination and eventually vaccines) in the general population for when we remove it.
  - shalmanese 7y ago
    You don't have to lockdown but you should be gathering evidence and preparing contingency plans for different scenarios. The saddest shit ever is I assumed this was all going on behind the scenes and serious people in serious suits were sitting in serious meetings looking at all the China data and drawing up plans that would all get revealed to the public at the right time. The last few weeks have been a sad disconfirmation that this is not the case. If even world leaders are getting this, it's strong evidence that nobody in their government has any fucking clue what they're doing (or at least the people with the fucking clue were not empowered to act). Trump holds a press conference announcing this is a national emergency and even during the press conference, people were standing less than 1m apart, people were constantly touching their face, each speaker adjusted the microphone at the exact same spot and touched the podium at the exact same spot without sterilizing in between, nobody was wearing a mask and everyone was shaking hands except ONE person who did the elbow bump. Sure, some of this can be attributed to optics but they should also be demonstrating best practices if they want others to be taking those best practices seriously.
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  - xbmcuser 7y ago
    Lockdown would not have been needed if aggressive testing was done from the start. And infected people and those they had interacted with been isolated. Lockdown comes a lot later.
- doitLP 7y ago
  That’s assuming there’s more than anecdotal data to support sewage transmission, that other transmission vectors were ruled out and that there is other cases where it’s been shown to happen. Plus their quote says it’s low risk, not “no risk”. It’s always easy to look from the outside and yell “what are these idiots doing?!”
DoreenMichele 7y ago
Here's the meat of what I have to say (extracted from a very long, upset rant): Stop blowing your goddamn noses at the table in a crowded restaurant, thereby sharing your disease with a bunch of people who had no warning and no way to get way from you. Stop licking your fingers to open plastic bags. Stop wiping your face or nose and then touching other people, ew. If you are in charge of anything, train your cashiers to absolutely never, ever, ever, ever upon pain of death (okay, firing offense) lick their fingers or wipe their face before handling bags, bagging items or giving change to their victims aka your customers. I have stopped going to some stores over this shit. Use self checkout. If you run a store, install a good self checkout that doesn't make your customers crazy. Stop touching people. Keep your hands to yourself. Stop touching things unnecessarily. Stop coughing at people. Go to the bathroom to cough, blow your nose, etc. To the best of your ability, try to not sneeze at people if at all humanly possible. Wash your hands. Especially if you use a public toilet, good god. Clean your home. Clean your car. Get rid of your giant pile of junk cluttering up your closets and going unused and rotting in place. Walk more so the air isn't so polluted. The world will generally be healthier. Honestly, this isn't that hard. You already know most of it. You just refuse to do it and when I tell you "Please don't do that" you act like I'm the one being a bitch instead of correcting your gross, disgusting, bad behavior that spreads disease like you worship Nergil. My qualifications if you absolutely need qualifications to listen to the same shit you have been told five hundred million times by all the health experts on the planet and just chose to ignore: https://doreenmichele.blogspot.com/2020/02/perspective-and-priorities.html https://doreenmichele.blogspot.com/2020/02/perspective-and-p... https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/p/atypical-cf-defined.html https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/p/atypical-cf-de... I have fantasies I'm going to start a website called Stop Touching Your Face, but the reality is it seems likely that project will be stillborn. Thus, this attempt to say or do something, knowing it will fall on deaf ears, as usual.
- pwrplus1 7y ago
  Be more selective about the air you breathe! Take regular 2-3 hour breaks from breathing! If you must go outside, leave your face at home! C'mon people! Why aren't you listening to me!
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LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago
For me it was obvious what will happen since i came across this article http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ a few days later. Not exactly how intense and when exactly, but that it WILL spread globally and potentially cause all sorts of disruptions. Now i'm sitting here, trying not to be smug, sipping my greek mountain tea, reading that Spiegelshit and thinking to myself: Oh, really? Just now you are saying that? Good job! (Not saying anything about baseball bats and how they should be applied, no no no, wouldn't ever do that)

50 points by WheelsAtLarge 7y ago

If anyone runs into what seems to be a paywall written in German, click “Acceptiert” (spelling?) and you will get the English article. At least, this was my experience.

AlexandrB 7y ago
I think having an ad-blocker on breaks this and send you back to the paywall with a new warning.

DoreenMichele 7y ago

So, you click on this and you get an all German landing page, which I had trouble with at first. You need to click the orange button that says "akzeptieren" (I probably mispelled that, though) to continue to the article with ads and no subscription. The actual article is in English.

troughway 7y ago

Pasted here - https://pastebin.com/5Ben9q4w https://pastebin.com/5Ben9q4w

shalmanese 7y ago

> The only way to defeat this pandemic is to approach it with the seriousness it deserves. It is time for a radical acceptance of reality. This is all so surreal to me. Shouldn't we have taken this with the seriousness it deserves when China was locking down 700 million people? Like, even if you didn't believe what China was doing was correct, you should at least have been trying to formulate your best arguments over why China's reaction was wrong and looking for confirmatory and dis-confirmatory evidence over your arguments. Instead, we spent six weeks in a state of such basic blissful ignorance of China (& other early countries/cruise ships) that we're scrambling now because we don't even have the data to make the right decisions. For example, there was a case in Hong Kong where one person got it through the sewerage pipe of an infected person 10 floors above because they improperly modified their vent pipes: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3050068/coronavirus-your-toilet-how-hong-kong-policy https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic... . (This is a famous example of how SARS spread through Amoy Gardens in HK so HK people are hyper paranoid about this infection route). This piece of news didn't even make a ripple in the West (I know because I have friends who work at SCMP and I asked them to look at the analytics, the only western media that picked up their story was... drudgereport.com) Friends I know in HK are like, "Yeah, the canto news covered this story quite widely so we're all pretty aware" but you can't find any English awareness of this. Even the C D FUCKING C is not aware of this, their page on fecal borne transmissions (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html) STILL says: "CDC is reviewing all data on COVID-19 transmission as information becomes available. At this time, the risk of transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewerage systems is thought to be low. Although transmission of COVID-19 through sewage may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred. This guidance will be updated as necessary as new evidence is assessed. SARS, a similar coronavirus, has been detected in untreated sewage for up to 2 to 14 days. In the 2003 SARS outbreak, there was documented transmission associated with sewage aerosols." The case in Hong Kong happened ONE MONTH ago and the CDC didn't even pick this up!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD?

nraynaud 7y ago
you can't lockdown too quickly, because you need a plan for removing the lockdown, otherwise you have to stay on lockdown forever. In this epidemic the lockdown is meant to avoid overwhelming the medical system while we get herd immunity (by contamination and eventually vaccines) in the general population for when we remove it.
- shalmanese 7y ago
  You don't have to lockdown but you should be gathering evidence and preparing contingency plans for different scenarios. The saddest shit ever is I assumed this was all going on behind the scenes and serious people in serious suits were sitting in serious meetings looking at all the China data and drawing up plans that would all get revealed to the public at the right time. The last few weeks have been a sad disconfirmation that this is not the case. If even world leaders are getting this, it's strong evidence that nobody in their government has any fucking clue what they're doing (or at least the people with the fucking clue were not empowered to act). Trump holds a press conference announcing this is a national emergency and even during the press conference, people were standing less than 1m apart, people were constantly touching their face, each speaker adjusted the microphone at the exact same spot and touched the podium at the exact same spot without sterilizing in between, nobody was wearing a mask and everyone was shaking hands except ONE person who did the elbow bump. Sure, some of this can be attributed to optics but they should also be demonstrating best practices if they want others to be taking those best practices seriously.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- xbmcuser 7y ago
  Lockdown would not have been needed if aggressive testing was done from the start. And infected people and those they had interacted with been isolated. Lockdown comes a lot later.
doitLP 7y ago
That’s assuming there’s more than anecdotal data to support sewage transmission, that other transmission vectors were ruled out and that there is other cases where it’s been shown to happen. Plus their quote says it’s low risk, not “no risk”. It’s always easy to look from the outside and yell “what are these idiots doing?!”

DoreenMichele 7y ago

Here's the meat of what I have to say (extracted from a very long, upset rant): Stop blowing your goddamn noses at the table in a crowded restaurant, thereby sharing your disease with a bunch of people who had no warning and no way to get way from you. Stop licking your fingers to open plastic bags. Stop wiping your face or nose and then touching other people, ew. If you are in charge of anything, train your cashiers to absolutely never, ever, ever, ever upon pain of death (okay, firing offense) lick their fingers or wipe their face before handling bags, bagging items or giving change to their victims aka your customers. I have stopped going to some stores over this shit. Use self checkout. If you run a store, install a good self checkout that doesn't make your customers crazy. Stop touching people. Keep your hands to yourself. Stop touching things unnecessarily. Stop coughing at people. Go to the bathroom to cough, blow your nose, etc. To the best of your ability, try to not sneeze at people if at all humanly possible. Wash your hands. Especially if you use a public toilet, good god. Clean your home. Clean your car. Get rid of your giant pile of junk cluttering up your closets and going unused and rotting in place. Walk more so the air isn't so polluted. The world will generally be healthier. Honestly, this isn't that hard. You already know most of it. You just refuse to do it and when I tell you "Please don't do that" you act like I'm the one being a bitch instead of correcting your gross, disgusting, bad behavior that spreads disease like you worship Nergil. My qualifications if you absolutely need qualifications to listen to the same shit you have been told five hundred million times by all the health experts on the planet and just chose to ignore: https://doreenmichele.blogspot.com/2020/02/perspective-and-priorities.html https://doreenmichele.blogspot.com/2020/02/perspective-and-p... https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/p/atypical-cf-defined.html https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/p/atypical-cf-de... I have fantasies I'm going to start a website called Stop Touching Your Face, but the reality is it seems likely that project will be stillborn. Thus, this attempt to say or do something, knowing it will fall on deaf ears, as usual.

pwrplus1 7y ago
Be more selective about the air you breathe! Take regular 2-3 hour breaks from breathing! If you must go outside, leave your face at home! C'mon people! Why aren't you listening to me!
7y ago

LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago

For me it was obvious what will happen since i came across this article http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ a few days later. Not exactly how intense and when exactly, but that it WILL spread globally and potentially cause all sorts of disruptions. Now i'm sitting here, trying not to be smug, sipping my greek mountain tea, reading that Spiegelshit and thinking to myself: Oh, really? Just now you are saying that? Good job! (Not saying anything about baseball bats and how they should be applied, no no no, wouldn't ever do that)