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>These are perfomance vehicles that are rarely taken out, usually to tracks or shows, Okay, if this is how it is, then why are they allowed on the road? Obviou

>These are perfomance vehicles that are rarely taken out, usually to tracks or shows, Okay, if this is how it is, then why are they allowed on the road? Obviously I don't have a problem with people driving this in tracks or shows, only in public roads. Besides, if the speed limit is, at most, 130kph, why do we allow (again, on public roads) machines that go to 250, 300, or above? Or that speed from a stop to that aforementioned speed limit in 5 or 6 seconds? Again, by all means enjoy them on the tracks (still, within reason with more relaxed emission standards).

Hamuko 7y ago
>Okay, if this is how it is, then why are they allowed on the road? Because they meet all of the legal requirements to be operated on public roads.
- andrepd 7y ago
  Lol, obviously I'm asking why is this the legal requirement.
  - bendbro 7y ago
    Because the average person is not an exasperated phd student with a strange dislike of speedy cars, I'd guess
    - andrepd 7y ago
      Very funny you would say that because you don't know me at all. I go to tracks whenever I can and I'm saving to buy my own track car as soon as I'm a more settled position in my life. So your ad hominem judgement hardly holds water, does it? I simply have the honesty and self-reflection capabilities to realise that "speedy cars" commit mass murder on a daily basis, and hence performance cars should probably not be road legal unless fitted with a limiter.
      - Hamuko 7y ago
        Could you please post some statistic when it comes to daily hypercar fatalities.
leetcrew 7y ago
because having a high top speed is a silly reason to restrict a vehicle from driving on public roads? being able to accelerate fast enough to safely merge onto a highway implies a drag-limited top speed much higher than the posted limit. most cheap sedans can already go about twice as fast as a typical highway speed limit. do you also want to ban usain bolt from the sidewalk because he could run too fast if he wanted to?
- andrepd 7y ago
  >because having a high top speed is a silly reason to restrict a vehicle from driving on public roads My argument is wrong because it is silly. Gotcha. >do you also want to ban usain bolt from the sidewalk When Usain Bolt can delete a family from existence with one wrong flick of the wrist, I'll support banning Usain Bolt from running in the sidewalk. Alternatively, when Usain Bolts running in sidewalks are one of the leading worldwide causes of death. And I'm pretty sure that if Usain Bolt were running at 30kph on a crowded sidewalk somebody would stop him, which is actually a pretty nice analogy to the obviously beneficial measure of placing a speed limiter on cars.
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    > My argument is wrong because it is silly. Gotcha. No, it's so wrong that it is silly. That wasn't supposed to be the reason why. Stop looking for cheap gotchas.
  - bendbro 7y ago
    Sports cars running over pedestrians is not a leading cause of death
  - ukd1 7y ago
    https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811059 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... seems to suggest that speed isn't the major cause of accidents; there are a ton of other human related ones, plus other car related ones. IMHO, humans shouldn't drive the cars, but whilst they do, their max possible speed doesn't seem to make a big difference ;)
manigandham 7y ago
Just about every vehicle allowed on the road today can easily beat speed limits and cause massive damage in a crash. Vehicle capabilities are separate from driver responsibility. Nothing would be possible if we banned things just because they have the potential for harm.
- andrepd 7y ago
  I don't follow. We have a law setting a speed limit in public roads. We have fines/jail for people who break it. We spend billions on manual patrolling, screening, prevention, detection, etc. Why is it such a bad idea to just fit in speed limiters and be done with it? And that last part? It's pretty much an empty argument, as if we don't already regulate/restrict/ban many things with the potential to cause harm (cars included).
  - manigandham 7y ago
    You said "why are they even allowed on the roads" which means banning them because of their potential. Now you've changed your argument to using speed limiters but cars already have these in certain regions to prevent reaching top speeds. Beyond that it's not necessary because most people follow the law. The same irresponsible people who speed like crazy would also remove the speed limiter. Also there are general driving conditions, emergencies, private roads, and other situations where people use the full capability of their vehicles. And police are still need to patrol the roads for more than just speeding. Overall a built-in speed limiter just limits freedom, costs more resources and enforcement, punishes responsible owners, and prevents them from enjoying their vehicles because of a tiny percentage of bad drivers. In fact Germany's autobahn with completely unrestricted speeds has a better safety record than other freeways which shows that fast cars at high speed are not the issue at all for safety.
ukd1 7y ago
You can apply the logic of "having a problem with something" to anything one doesn't like. The current answer is it is allowed as it is legal, and it's sold as it is wanted, and there are penalties for misuse, incase that's not obvious. FYI, I think this new car is estimated at over 500kph max speed.
- kungtotte 7y ago
  I don't think it's estimated at 500+kph, not realistically anyway. It took 12 years to go from 408 kph to 447 kph (current record) in the production road car speed record, I doubt they're going to jump 53 kph in the record overnight.

Hamuko 7y ago

>Okay, if this is how it is, then why are they allowed on the road? Because they meet all of the legal requirements to be operated on public roads.

andrepd 7y ago
Lol, obviously I'm asking why is this the legal requirement.
- bendbro 7y ago
  Because the average person is not an exasperated phd student with a strange dislike of speedy cars, I'd guess
  - andrepd 7y ago
    Very funny you would say that because you don't know me at all. I go to tracks whenever I can and I'm saving to buy my own track car as soon as I'm a more settled position in my life. So your ad hominem judgement hardly holds water, does it? I simply have the honesty and self-reflection capabilities to realise that "speedy cars" commit mass murder on a daily basis, and hence performance cars should probably not be road legal unless fitted with a limiter.
    - Hamuko 7y ago
      Could you please post some statistic when it comes to daily hypercar fatalities.

leetcrew 7y ago

because having a high top speed is a silly reason to restrict a vehicle from driving on public roads? being able to accelerate fast enough to safely merge onto a highway implies a drag-limited top speed much higher than the posted limit. most cheap sedans can already go about twice as fast as a typical highway speed limit. do you also want to ban usain bolt from the sidewalk because he could run too fast if he wanted to?

andrepd 7y ago
>because having a high top speed is a silly reason to restrict a vehicle from driving on public roads My argument is wrong because it is silly. Gotcha. >do you also want to ban usain bolt from the sidewalk When Usain Bolt can delete a family from existence with one wrong flick of the wrist, I'll support banning Usain Bolt from running in the sidewalk. Alternatively, when Usain Bolts running in sidewalks are one of the leading worldwide causes of death. And I'm pretty sure that if Usain Bolt were running at 30kph on a crowded sidewalk somebody would stop him, which is actually a pretty nice analogy to the obviously beneficial measure of placing a speed limiter on cars.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  > My argument is wrong because it is silly. Gotcha. No, it's so wrong that it is silly. That wasn't supposed to be the reason why. Stop looking for cheap gotchas.
- bendbro 7y ago
  Sports cars running over pedestrians is not a leading cause of death
- ukd1 7y ago
  https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/811059 https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... seems to suggest that speed isn't the major cause of accidents; there are a ton of other human related ones, plus other car related ones. IMHO, humans shouldn't drive the cars, but whilst they do, their max possible speed doesn't seem to make a big difference ;)

manigandham 7y ago

Just about every vehicle allowed on the road today can easily beat speed limits and cause massive damage in a crash. Vehicle capabilities are separate from driver responsibility. Nothing would be possible if we banned things just because they have the potential for harm.

andrepd 7y ago
I don't follow. We have a law setting a speed limit in public roads. We have fines/jail for people who break it. We spend billions on manual patrolling, screening, prevention, detection, etc. Why is it such a bad idea to just fit in speed limiters and be done with it? And that last part? It's pretty much an empty argument, as if we don't already regulate/restrict/ban many things with the potential to cause harm (cars included).
- manigandham 7y ago
  You said "why are they even allowed on the roads" which means banning them because of their potential. Now you've changed your argument to using speed limiters but cars already have these in certain regions to prevent reaching top speeds. Beyond that it's not necessary because most people follow the law. The same irresponsible people who speed like crazy would also remove the speed limiter. Also there are general driving conditions, emergencies, private roads, and other situations where people use the full capability of their vehicles. And police are still need to patrol the roads for more than just speeding. Overall a built-in speed limiter just limits freedom, costs more resources and enforcement, punishes responsible owners, and prevents them from enjoying their vehicles because of a tiny percentage of bad drivers. In fact Germany's autobahn with completely unrestricted speeds has a better safety record than other freeways which shows that fast cars at high speed are not the issue at all for safety.

ukd1 7y ago

You can apply the logic of "having a problem with something" to anything one doesn't like. The current answer is it is allowed as it is legal, and it's sold as it is wanted, and there are penalties for misuse, incase that's not obvious. FYI, I think this new car is estimated at over 500kph max speed.

kungtotte 7y ago
I don't think it's estimated at 500+kph, not realistically anyway. It took 12 years to go from 408 kph to 447 kph (current record) in the production road car speed record, I doubt they're going to jump 53 kph in the record overnight.