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Please check your trump derangement syndrome. He's not the cause of all the world problems.

by robk 7y ago

atoav 7y ago
Although this wasn't exclusively about the US: Most issues the US now has, indeed existed before Trump became president — so much is true. Yet Trump still is the worst president you could have at that point in time. Nearly a month into the whole thing he decides it would be a good thing to call the virus a hoax, disregard expert advice and ultimately acts (as he usually does) purely on symbolical plane by blaming it on foreigners and closing the border. Closing the dissease control unit Obama built in the white house is only the cherry on top. Nothing to adress the issue of not beeing able to test people, there is no real oversight what is going on in the US. And quite frankly: if your leader's decisions are worse than throwing a dice, why even bother having him? Because it is more entertaining? In times of a pandemic you want to have something in leadership who does the unpopular thing, that ultimately stops the spread and saves the lives. Not someone who only thinks about themselves and changes their stance on the topic with every turn of the wind. But feel free to argue otherwise, if you know how the poststructuralist ways of trumpian confusion somehow help in times of a pandemic.
- roenxi 7y ago
  He didn't call the virus a hoax ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re... ) and he's happy to have people on his task force who will publicly contradict him so he isn't flooding the response with compliant yes men ( https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-push-back/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/donald-trump-cor... ). The US is probably doing terribly because of the CDCs absolute fumble of the test kit debacle; but assessing Trump's response as good or bad will take a lot of time. His border closures, believe what you will, were totally in character and probably good ideas for this specific crisis.
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    From the link you gave, "During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." " So while he didn't exactly, it doesn't show a person who cares for reality. Snopes says "mixture" on it's veracity. > he's happy to have people on his task force who will publicly contradict him You mean he doesn't care enough to put out the right information in the first place, and relies on being 'cleaned up afterwards' by his staff (who he keeps sacking)? He's made a mess of this primarily. The buck stops with him. The CDC does seemed to have fouled up badly but that doesn't exempt Trump's bizarre and dangerous response to a real crisis.
    - roenxi 7y ago
      The Snopes article is perfectly clear; the answer to the question "Did Trump call the coronavirus a hoax?" is no and atoav was precisely wrong on that point. There is a Hoax hoax afoot here. Trump banned travel from China in early February, and the hoax comment is late February. It is pretty obvious from his actions that he takes Coronavirus much more seriously than the flu whatever his public message. > He's made a mess of this primarily. The buck stops with him. Yeah, but we don't know how this plays out. There are a bunch of drugs against Coronavirus starting to complete clinical trials, so this may actually get nipped in the bud as far as the US is concerned. It is a real test of the Trump administration though, no argument there.
      - cglace 7y ago
        You seriously think a new drug will be ready to treat this within a few months?
        thu2111 7y ago
        It could be. I did my own research on that a couple of weeks ago. If you look at the latencies involved with developing antibodies they're not that high, especially if you get lucky and are willing to throw money around. Humanity is right at the start of the whole protein design revolution - I don't think our regulatory infrastructure is set up for it yet. But where there's a will ...
- sojournerc 7y ago
  We have leadership in the state governments. Colorado and even health officials in my county are taking this seriously, have closed schools, all big events canceled etc. Often I feel that Europeans forget wet have state governments that have more local authority than the federal Gov. Trump isn't some dictator. I'm perfectly happy with how my state officials are dealing with this virus.
  - tres 7y ago
    The U.S. federal government had a significant amount of control and formerly had the sole resources to deal with issues like this. Ironic that the sole raison d'être one of those resources was in mitigating and coordinating responses to events just like the one we find ourselves in. Destroying that resource is squarely on turmp. We've been watching the tearing down of the federal government since the Reagan years. We've witnessed the slow evisceration of everything outside of the department of defense. The federal government could have and should have led a coordinated response to this. But now that the conservative dream of having a federal government big enough that it could be drowned in a bathtub is in reach, it's nearly impossible to. This is the consequence of forty years of coordinated effort to hollow out the federal government from within. States have very limited resources at their disposal. There's simply no way that they can coordinate the kind of response needed for an epidemic that knows no borders.
tjpnz 7y ago
Trump didn't create this but all signs indicate that he and his merry band of luddites will continue to exasperate the situation. Where's the international cooperation? As the article mentions Bush and Obama were regularly on the phone with world leaders to coordinate their responses to the Avian Flu and Ebola outbreaks. This administration has done none of that and has effectively taken it's hand off the wheel.
- bobwaycott 7y ago
  I think you mean exacerbate. :)
  - tjpnz 7y ago
    Thank you.
  - throwanem 7y ago
    Being fair, "exasperate" (= "make hopeless") works too...
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  Believing that all international communication must be routed through the United States government is a very U.S. centric way of looking at things. Other nations are free to cooperate with each other without first checking in with the U.S. president for his blessing.
  - Goronmon 7y ago
    Believing that the US somehow isn't a part of the international community is definitely a strange take that I haven't heard before. I don't really see the advantage to the US taking action completely separate from the rest of the world.
sonotathrowaway 7y ago
Trump deliberately sabotaged efforts to protect the American public at almost every step along the way. He fired the team tracking pandemics and tried to gut their budget, and when the virus broke out he stopped the implementation of large scale testing in order to reduce the numbers of people who tested positive, and forbade use of the UN tests. This past week his CDC has completed 77 tests, as compared to Obama, who had completed one million tests in the month after H1N1. He’s also classified information regarding the disease in order to hamper the spread of vital information, and has actively lied and shifted blame regarding the availability of testing, the timeline to a vaccine, and even the efforts of private companies. Acknowledging that he is the single worst person to lead America through the crisis isn’t partisan, it’s objectively considering reality.
- mistermann 7y ago
  Do you believe most of the issues at the CDC are due to Trump? The development of their own kit, refusal to allow independent testing, a lack of any stockpiles (is this their job? Well, whoever), etc. Did someone from the administration throw out all the stockpiled masks in medical institutions across the country for example? Also, we have similar issues with testing and shortages of obviously critical supplies here in Canada, as do many other countries. Can one man do that much damage?
  - sonotathrowaway 7y ago
    I don’t really care to debate strawman arguments- I never blamed him for lack of masks, so we can summarily move past that. Acknowledging that he is the cause of many actual issues is not fantasy. In reality, the United States has the worst testing capacity and infrastructure of any developed nation - this fact has to be specifically trumps fault. Obama was not caught unprepared during H1N1, and it’s impossible to imagine that the CDC is the most powerless among every major nation to secure critical supplies. Yes, I believe most of the issues at cdc are due to trump - so far he has fired the experts who can best work with the CDC to implement policies needed, and has censored and classified their attempts to spread critical information. He rolled back Obama’s executive directives regarding pandemic response simply to spite democrats, and now is rushing to reimplement those same directives, with much less effectiveness. It’s literally a government agency under his sole control - by definition the failures of the cdc are his failures. That’s how accountability works. I know that he specifically said that it’s not his fault and that he doesn’t stand for anything, regardless it’s still his fault. This crisis is the most current proof that he is utterly incapable of being an effective leader.
te_chris 7y ago
The man leading the richest and most powerful country on earth is a unilateralist and a physical embodiment of the Peter Principle. He’s doing an awful job and not reaching out globally to solve a global problem. How is this derangement syndrome? If anything it seems your inability to see criticism of him beyond shallow catch phrases exhibits a form of “derangement syndrome”

Please check your trump derangement syndrome. He's not the cause of all the world problems.

by robk 7y ago

Please check your trump derangement syndrome. He's not the cause of all the world problems.

Although this wasn't exclusively about the US: Most issues the US now has, indeed existed before Trump became president — so much is true. Yet Trump still is the worst president you could have at that point in time. Nearly a month into the whole thing he decides it would be a good thing to call the virus a hoax, disregard expert advice and ultimately acts (as he usually does) purely on symbolical plane by blaming it on foreigners and closing the border. Closing the dissease control unit Obama built in the white house is only the cherry on top. Nothing to adress the issue of not beeing able to test people, there is no real oversight what is going on in the US. And quite frankly: if your leader's decisions are worse than throwing a dice, why even bother having him? Because it is more entertaining? In times of a pandemic you want to have something in leadership who does the unpopular thing, that ultimately stops the spread and saves the lives. Not someone who only thinks about themselves and changes their stance on the topic with every turn of the wind. But feel free to argue otherwise, if you know how the poststructuralist ways of trumpian confusion somehow help in times of a pandemic.

roenxi 7y ago
He didn't call the virus a hoax ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-re... ) and he's happy to have people on his task force who will publicly contradict him so he isn't flooding the response with compliant yes men ( https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-push-back/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/donald-trump-cor... ). The US is probably doing terribly because of the CDCs absolute fumble of the test kit debacle; but assessing Trump's response as good or bad will take a lot of time. His border closures, believe what you will, were totally in character and probably good ideas for this specific crisis.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  From the link you gave, "During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." " So while he didn't exactly, it doesn't show a person who cares for reality. Snopes says "mixture" on it's veracity. > he's happy to have people on his task force who will publicly contradict him You mean he doesn't care enough to put out the right information in the first place, and relies on being 'cleaned up afterwards' by his staff (who he keeps sacking)? He's made a mess of this primarily. The buck stops with him. The CDC does seemed to have fouled up badly but that doesn't exempt Trump's bizarre and dangerous response to a real crisis.
  - roenxi 7y ago
    The Snopes article is perfectly clear; the answer to the question "Did Trump call the coronavirus a hoax?" is no and atoav was precisely wrong on that point. There is a Hoax hoax afoot here. Trump banned travel from China in early February, and the hoax comment is late February. It is pretty obvious from his actions that he takes Coronavirus much more seriously than the flu whatever his public message. > He's made a mess of this primarily. The buck stops with him. Yeah, but we don't know how this plays out. There are a bunch of drugs against Coronavirus starting to complete clinical trials, so this may actually get nipped in the bud as far as the US is concerned. It is a real test of the Trump administration though, no argument there.
    - cglace 7y ago
      You seriously think a new drug will be ready to treat this within a few months?
      - thu2111 7y ago
        It could be. I did my own research on that a couple of weeks ago. If you look at the latencies involved with developing antibodies they're not that high, especially if you get lucky and are willing to throw money around. Humanity is right at the start of the whole protein design revolution - I don't think our regulatory infrastructure is set up for it yet. But where there's a will ...
sojournerc 7y ago
We have leadership in the state governments. Colorado and even health officials in my county are taking this seriously, have closed schools, all big events canceled etc. Often I feel that Europeans forget wet have state governments that have more local authority than the federal Gov. Trump isn't some dictator. I'm perfectly happy with how my state officials are dealing with this virus.
- tres 7y ago
  The U.S. federal government had a significant amount of control and formerly had the sole resources to deal with issues like this. Ironic that the sole raison d'être one of those resources was in mitigating and coordinating responses to events just like the one we find ourselves in. Destroying that resource is squarely on turmp. We've been watching the tearing down of the federal government since the Reagan years. We've witnessed the slow evisceration of everything outside of the department of defense. The federal government could have and should have led a coordinated response to this. But now that the conservative dream of having a federal government big enough that it could be drowned in a bathtub is in reach, it's nearly impossible to. This is the consequence of forty years of coordinated effort to hollow out the federal government from within. States have very limited resources at their disposal. There's simply no way that they can coordinate the kind of response needed for an epidemic that knows no borders.

tjpnz 7y ago

Trump didn't create this but all signs indicate that he and his merry band of luddites will continue to exasperate the situation. Where's the international cooperation? As the article mentions Bush and Obama were regularly on the phone with world leaders to coordinate their responses to the Avian Flu and Ebola outbreaks. This administration has done none of that and has effectively taken it's hand off the wheel.

bobwaycott 7y ago
I think you mean exacerbate. :)
- tjpnz 7y ago
  Thank you.
- throwanem 7y ago
  Being fair, "exasperate" (= "make hopeless") works too...
Mountain_Skies 7y ago
Believing that all international communication must be routed through the United States government is a very U.S. centric way of looking at things. Other nations are free to cooperate with each other without first checking in with the U.S. president for his blessing.
- Goronmon 7y ago
  Believing that the US somehow isn't a part of the international community is definitely a strange take that I haven't heard before. I don't really see the advantage to the US taking action completely separate from the rest of the world.

sonotathrowaway 7y ago

Trump deliberately sabotaged efforts to protect the American public at almost every step along the way. He fired the team tracking pandemics and tried to gut their budget, and when the virus broke out he stopped the implementation of large scale testing in order to reduce the numbers of people who tested positive, and forbade use of the UN tests. This past week his CDC has completed 77 tests, as compared to Obama, who had completed one million tests in the month after H1N1. He’s also classified information regarding the disease in order to hamper the spread of vital information, and has actively lied and shifted blame regarding the availability of testing, the timeline to a vaccine, and even the efforts of private companies. Acknowledging that he is the single worst person to lead America through the crisis isn’t partisan, it’s objectively considering reality.

mistermann 7y ago
Do you believe most of the issues at the CDC are due to Trump? The development of their own kit, refusal to allow independent testing, a lack of any stockpiles (is this their job? Well, whoever), etc. Did someone from the administration throw out all the stockpiled masks in medical institutions across the country for example? Also, we have similar issues with testing and shortages of obviously critical supplies here in Canada, as do many other countries. Can one man do that much damage?
- sonotathrowaway 7y ago
  I don’t really care to debate strawman arguments- I never blamed him for lack of masks, so we can summarily move past that. Acknowledging that he is the cause of many actual issues is not fantasy. In reality, the United States has the worst testing capacity and infrastructure of any developed nation - this fact has to be specifically trumps fault. Obama was not caught unprepared during H1N1, and it’s impossible to imagine that the CDC is the most powerless among every major nation to secure critical supplies. Yes, I believe most of the issues at cdc are due to trump - so far he has fired the experts who can best work with the CDC to implement policies needed, and has censored and classified their attempts to spread critical information. He rolled back Obama’s executive directives regarding pandemic response simply to spite democrats, and now is rushing to reimplement those same directives, with much less effectiveness. It’s literally a government agency under his sole control - by definition the failures of the cdc are his failures. That’s how accountability works. I know that he specifically said that it’s not his fault and that he doesn’t stand for anything, regardless it’s still his fault. This crisis is the most current proof that he is utterly incapable of being an effective leader.

te_chris 7y ago

The man leading the richest and most powerful country on earth is a unilateralist and a physical embodiment of the Peter Principle. He’s doing an awful job and not reaching out globally to solve a global problem. How is this derangement syndrome? If anything it seems your inability to see criticism of him beyond shallow catch phrases exhibits a form of “derangement syndrome”