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Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. We as nation put on extreme measures but there is no visibility. What is the

by chvid 7y ago

Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. We as nation put on extreme measures but there is no visibility. What is the true number of infected in Denmark? There is no sampling or systematic measurement going on. We probably know less than you guys in Sweden yet we choose the most extreme actions. We just had our PM go on national TV and call on all Danes to return to Denmark as she shut down the border.

rasz 7y ago
>We as nation put on extreme measures sarcasm? or heard on TV to calm the population? This is how extreme measures look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0 Denmark is negligent, as is rest of Europe.
- chvid 7y ago
  I don't know what Denmark is but I am worried. Three weeks ago our PM was busy playing petty political games with the opposition, today she is shutting down our borders preventing all foreigners entering the country.
efxz 7y ago
Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. > You can enter Denmark, if You have work permission (even if You are Swede). Many people travel and work this way...
adventured 7y ago
Given the massive explosion in cases in Denmark, going from 514 to 1573 in two days, closing the borders is probably wise. For a country with just 5.9 million people, that's a recipe for collapsing your healthcare system if the cases continue to increase like that for much longer. There are not many medical systems on the planet that could handle that per capita case load increase in such a short amount of time (specifically the intensive care patients that will go with it in the coming days and weeks).
- chvid 7y ago
  Depends on why the increase in cases? Just because succesfully traced and identified a group of cases, it doesn't tell you anything about the growth in the true number of infected. There are 10 people in hospitals in Denmark for COVID19. None dead. By the publicised numbers Sweden is hit about the same as Denmark; yet they choose a much more moderate approach.
  - Lewton 7y ago
    It’s amazing that anyone can still be in doubt about drastic measures being necessary when we have Italy as an example of what can happen
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      Still seeing lots of "this is just the media blowing things out of proportion" posts on local news Facebook pages. As if China can be explained that way.
      - chvid 7y ago
        Just to be clear. I have no opinion on whether this is blown out of proportion. I can just see that my own country is choosing the most extreme measures (packaged in nationalistic rhetorics) where as our neighbours are not. The idea that the population should be sampled so the exact extent of the spread can be measured (and so can the effect of the various policies) is not mine. Here is a Danish doctor calling for the same: https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/overlaege-regeringens-coronastrategi-mangler-fokus-paa-epidemiens-motor https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/overlaege-regeringens-corona... In Danish. Headline: The Government's Corona-strategy misses focus on the engine of the epidemic
  - aboodman 7y ago
    According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_D..., it's 23 in hospital vs 801 total identified cases. That a hospitalization rate of only 2.8%. I wonder what accounts for the massive discrepancy from other countries.
ridewinter 7y ago
And I thought it was only here in the USA... Almost good to know that we're not alone in our incompetence. At least next time around we should all be prepared like Taiwan was this time.
- elorant 7y ago
  No, you're not. In Greece starting tomorrow all bars, restaurants, malls, hair salons and whatnot will be shut down. Schools are already closed for two weeks. It's not just the inefficiency of central governments. The main problem, at least here, is that people seem reluctant to follow guidelines, and thus the state had to enforce stricter rules. The same happened in Italy and it's the reason incidents skyrocketed. Everyone was fucking around thinking that it's just another variant of the flu. And then reality hit them like a ton of bricks.

by chvid 7y ago

rasz 7y ago

>We as nation put on extreme measures sarcasm? or heard on TV to calm the population? This is how extreme measures look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpHD9bjGe0 Denmark is negligent, as is rest of Europe.

chvid 7y ago
I don't know what Denmark is but I am worried. Three weeks ago our PM was busy playing petty political games with the opposition, today she is shutting down our borders preventing all foreigners entering the country.

efxz 7y ago

Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. > You can enter Denmark, if You have work permission (even if You are Swede). Many people travel and work this way...

adventured 7y ago

Given the massive explosion in cases in Denmark, going from 514 to 1573 in two days, closing the borders is probably wise. For a country with just 5.9 million people, that's a recipe for collapsing your healthcare system if the cases continue to increase like that for much longer. There are not many medical systems on the planet that could handle that per capita case load increase in such a short amount of time (specifically the intensive care patients that will go with it in the coming days and weeks).

chvid 7y ago
Depends on why the increase in cases? Just because succesfully traced and identified a group of cases, it doesn't tell you anything about the growth in the true number of infected. There are 10 people in hospitals in Denmark for COVID19. None dead. By the publicised numbers Sweden is hit about the same as Denmark; yet they choose a much more moderate approach.
- Lewton 7y ago
  It’s amazing that anyone can still be in doubt about drastic measures being necessary when we have Italy as an example of what can happen
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    Still seeing lots of "this is just the media blowing things out of proportion" posts on local news Facebook pages. As if China can be explained that way.
    - chvid 7y ago
      Just to be clear. I have no opinion on whether this is blown out of proportion. I can just see that my own country is choosing the most extreme measures (packaged in nationalistic rhetorics) where as our neighbours are not. The idea that the population should be sampled so the exact extent of the spread can be measured (and so can the effect of the various policies) is not mine. Here is a Danish doctor calling for the same: https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/overlaege-regeringens-coronastrategi-mangler-fokus-paa-epidemiens-motor https://www.altinget.dk/artikel/overlaege-regeringens-corona... In Danish. Headline: The Government's Corona-strategy misses focus on the engine of the epidemic
- aboodman 7y ago
  According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_D..., it's 23 in hospital vs 801 total identified cases. That a hospitalization rate of only 2.8%. I wonder what accounts for the massive discrepancy from other countries.

ridewinter 7y ago

And I thought it was only here in the USA... Almost good to know that we're not alone in our incompetence. At least next time around we should all be prepared like Taiwan was this time.

elorant 7y ago
No, you're not. In Greece starting tomorrow all bars, restaurants, malls, hair salons and whatnot will be shut down. Schools are already closed for two weeks. It's not just the inefficiency of central governments. The main problem, at least here, is that people seem reluctant to follow guidelines, and thus the state had to enforce stricter rules. The same happened in Italy and it's the reason incidents skyrocketed. Everyone was fucking around thinking that it's just another variant of the flu. And then reality hit them like a ton of bricks.