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The idea is not that you should be able to swap your battery as easy as you can with an Nokia 3310 but that you or a competent person could swap the battery wit

The idea is not that you should be able to swap your battery as easy as you can with an Nokia 3310 but that you or a competent person could swap the battery with tools made for that purpose. Also I should have the right to use components from a broken iPhone into a different broken iPhone so I get a working iPhone(and if you claim security then wipe the phone before you allow this swap).

JoshTriplett 7y ago
> The idea is not that you should be able to swap your battery as easy as you can with an Nokia 3310 but that you or a competent person could swap the battery with tools made for that purpose. On many modern devices, you don't have "a battery", you have battery cells fit into every available space and wired together. You're certainly welcome to try replacing those. I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. > Also I should have the right to use components from a broken iPhone into a different broken iPhone so I get a working iPhone By all means! And "components" here may well mean "single integrated board", as it does on many laptops and phones.
- avianlyric 7y ago
  > On many modern devices, you don't have "a battery", you have battery cells fit into every available space and wired together. You're certainly welcome to try replacing those. I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. Source for this. No device has unpackaged unprotected battery cells just floating around. They may have many discrete batteries to use up all of the available space, but each unit is self contained with protection electronics and can be swapped independently of the others.
  - JoshTriplett 7y ago
    I didn't say "unpackaged" or "unprotected". But I've seen the internals of multiple devices that have simple plastic wrappers (not hard shells) around the various battery cells, with wires connecting those plastic wrappers, and they don't have duplicated battery electronics, just one set.
    - imtringued 7y ago
      I'm not sure how that is relevant to the right of being allowed to swap parts. If you can't make parts yourself but you can take salvageable parts from a broken device. Why should you be prevented from doing this repair? Also, why should third party manufacturers be prevented from making compatible parts?
      - JoshTriplett 7y ago
        > I'm not sure how that is relevant to the right of being allowed to swap parts. If you can't make parts yourself but you can take salvageable parts from a broken device. Why should you be prevented from doing this repair? As I stated earlier in this thread, you should absolutely have the right to attempt such repairs. I just don't believe that there should be requirements to make devices use more modular components, at the potential expense of other desirable properties.
    - beckingz 7y ago
      You mean pouch batteries? Those things are pretty durable.
    - avianlyric 7y ago
      Those are pouch batteries, they never need a hard shell. Each one will have a tiny PCB with protection circuitry on it. It’s the only way to prevent them from accidentally catching fire or exploding. Batteries are far more complex than most people expect. Especially lithium batteries found in phones. The chemistry is super sensitive, and anything except careful monitoring of each battery pack risks catastrophic failure. Hence the tiny PCB on each battery pack.
- nnq 7y ago
  > I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. WHY?! You'd end up with stuff 3-5mm thicker, but basically the same weight. Let's drop the "thinner" fetish once and for all, nobody cares about some mm of "wasted" space (that usually improves cooling anyway) inside a devices case and it being a bit chunkier, as long as it's almost just as lightwieght! Fffs, let's go back to getting gold plated or diamond encrusted laptops and watches for showing off status! That's way better than the thinner/lighter nonsense... Sure, getting smth. thinner bc technology actually improves (eg. displays) is cool, but shaving micrometers by packing everything close together is stupid. (Oh, and we could start fixing our brains to think the same about cases for... people! Eg. housing. Like in kill the micro-apparments disease, there's enough room on the planet for all to leave confortable... in bigger rooms, and with chunkier laptops if that makes them more recyclable. "Space" IS mostly "free" ya know - very little of Earth's surface is actually usable for stuff like agriculture, energy production, mining etc.)
- ClumsyPilot 7y ago
  Firstly there is component level repair, faulty chips on a circuitboard can be de-soldered and replaced. It is not rocket science, it's perfectly normal level of repair and is worthwhile on a $500+ device. Then there is no phone that literally has a single board, there are other components such as the camera, earpiece, screen, etc. that are still replaceable.

JoshTriplett 7y ago

> The idea is not that you should be able to swap your battery as easy as you can with an Nokia 3310 but that you or a competent person could swap the battery with tools made for that purpose. On many modern devices, you don't have "a battery", you have battery cells fit into every available space and wired together. You're certainly welcome to try replacing those. I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. > Also I should have the right to use components from a broken iPhone into a different broken iPhone so I get a working iPhone By all means! And "components" here may well mean "single integrated board", as it does on many laptops and phones.

avianlyric 7y ago
> On many modern devices, you don't have "a battery", you have battery cells fit into every available space and wired together. You're certainly welcome to try replacing those. I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. Source for this. No device has unpackaged unprotected battery cells just floating around. They may have many discrete batteries to use up all of the available space, but each unit is self contained with protection electronics and can be swapped independently of the others.
- JoshTriplett 7y ago
  I didn't say "unpackaged" or "unprotected". But I've seen the internals of multiple devices that have simple plastic wrappers (not hard shells) around the various battery cells, with wires connecting those plastic wrappers, and they don't have duplicated battery electronics, just one set.
  - imtringued 7y ago
    I'm not sure how that is relevant to the right of being allowed to swap parts. If you can't make parts yourself but you can take salvageable parts from a broken device. Why should you be prevented from doing this repair? Also, why should third party manufacturers be prevented from making compatible parts?
    - JoshTriplett 7y ago
      > I'm not sure how that is relevant to the right of being allowed to swap parts. If you can't make parts yourself but you can take salvageable parts from a broken device. Why should you be prevented from doing this repair? As I stated earlier in this thread, you should absolutely have the right to attempt such repairs. I just don't believe that there should be requirements to make devices use more modular components, at the potential expense of other desirable properties.
  - beckingz 7y ago
    You mean pouch batteries? Those things are pretty durable.
  - avianlyric 7y ago
    Those are pouch batteries, they never need a hard shell. Each one will have a tiny PCB with protection circuitry on it. It’s the only way to prevent them from accidentally catching fire or exploding. Batteries are far more complex than most people expect. Especially lithium batteries found in phones. The chemistry is super sensitive, and anything except careful monitoring of each battery pack risks catastrophic failure. Hence the tiny PCB on each battery pack.
nnq 7y ago
> I just don't want to see that reverted to a discrete battery design. WHY?! You'd end up with stuff 3-5mm thicker, but basically the same weight. Let's drop the "thinner" fetish once and for all, nobody cares about some mm of "wasted" space (that usually improves cooling anyway) inside a devices case and it being a bit chunkier, as long as it's almost just as lightwieght! Fffs, let's go back to getting gold plated or diamond encrusted laptops and watches for showing off status! That's way better than the thinner/lighter nonsense... Sure, getting smth. thinner bc technology actually improves (eg. displays) is cool, but shaving micrometers by packing everything close together is stupid. (Oh, and we could start fixing our brains to think the same about cases for... people! Eg. housing. Like in kill the micro-apparments disease, there's enough room on the planet for all to leave confortable... in bigger rooms, and with chunkier laptops if that makes them more recyclable. "Space" IS mostly "free" ya know - very little of Earth's surface is actually usable for stuff like agriculture, energy production, mining etc.)
ClumsyPilot 7y ago
Firstly there is component level repair, faulty chips on a circuitboard can be de-soldered and replaced. It is not rocket science, it's perfectly normal level of repair and is worthwhile on a $500+ device. Then there is no phone that literally has a single board, there are other components such as the camera, earpiece, screen, etc. that are still replaceable.