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Even if the numbers aren't reliable, reports of Japanese intensive care units being overrun aren't easy to hide, but Japanese hospitals don't seem to be under t

Even if the numbers aren't reliable, reports of Japanese intensive care units being overrun aren't easy to hide, but Japanese hospitals don't seem to be under the same pressure as hospitals in Italy. Making mask wearing more acceptable might be a cultural adjustment humanity has to make as we become more urbanized and globalized if it'll help reduce the severity of disease transmission. Looks like Japan's stumbled onto a very useful societal adaptation.

Aeolun 7y ago
Japan has a lot of intensive care units. I guess it comes with having a generally older population.
- tooltalk 7y ago
  but not compared to other developed countries (except England): [1] [2] Germany 3.7 24.6 France 3.3 9.3 England 2.7 3.3 USA 2.4 20 Canada 2.4 13.5 Japan 2.2 4 to 5 1. Ratio of physicians to patients (per 1,000 population) 2. Number of ICU beds (per 100,000 population)
  - Aeolun 7y ago
    Where did you get these numbers? I’m fairly certain I’ve seen Japan being ridiculously high in these numbers before. Edit: Never mind, that was total number of hospital beds. The number of ICU units is really small. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00134-015-4165-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00134-015-4165-...
  - zjs 7y ago
    Do you have a source for those numbers? They differ significantly from https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30183 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30183, but perhaps your source is more reliable. Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood the definition of "Curative care (acute care) beds in hospitals".
    - Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
      Now that you understood it, can you explain what the difference is? It's not obvious to me either.
tooltalk 7y ago
Japan's problem is a bit different -- it's estimated that there are 30+K old folks dying unnoticed in solitude every year (Kodokushi) in Japan, even without the Wuhan virus. As cynical as it may sound, that may be why Japan doesn't even bother testing their citizens for the virus. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-deaths-the-end.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-d...

Aeolun 7y ago

Japan has a lot of intensive care units. I guess it comes with having a generally older population.

tooltalk 7y ago
but not compared to other developed countries (except England): [1] [2] Germany 3.7 24.6 France 3.3 9.3 England 2.7 3.3 USA 2.4 20 Canada 2.4 13.5 Japan 2.2 4 to 5 1. Ratio of physicians to patients (per 1,000 population) 2. Number of ICU beds (per 100,000 population)
- Aeolun 7y ago
  Where did you get these numbers? I’m fairly certain I’ve seen Japan being ridiculously high in these numbers before. Edit: Never mind, that was total number of hospital beds. The number of ICU units is really small. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00134-015-4165-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00134-015-4165-...
- zjs 7y ago
  Do you have a source for those numbers? They differ significantly from https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30183 https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=30183, but perhaps your source is more reliable. Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood the definition of "Curative care (acute care) beds in hospitals".
  - Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
    Now that you understood it, can you explain what the difference is? It's not obvious to me either.

tooltalk 7y ago

Japan's problem is a bit different -- it's estimated that there are 30+K old folks dying unnoticed in solitude every year (Kodokushi) in Japan, even without the Wuhan virus. As cynical as it may sound, that may be why Japan doesn't even bother testing their citizens for the virus. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-deaths-the-end.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/asia/japan-lonely-d...