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a) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting t
by rtkwe 7y ago
a) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting them for a crime you can't really keep them from coming home.
- LeifCarrotson 7y agoAs a US citizen currently on a business trip out of the country, that's really good to know!
- throwaway7877 7y agoYou may still fave mandatory quarantine. Plan accordingly. PS- Good luck!
- t0mas88 7y agoIf at all possible, try to get a flight back on a US carrier or a connecting flight via London. It's more likely that Delta/United/American will operate a flight back to the US than for example Lufthansa flying a mostly empty plane to the US. Not in the least because it would look bad in PR terms for a US based airline to leave US citizens stranded in Europe, while a European carrier not flying to the US would attribute the same decision to "Trump does not allow us in".
- nerfhammer 7y agoimmigration law does not apply to citizens, basically at all. customs does, but immigration does not.
- sjg007 7y agoDoesn’t matter if there’s no flights or boats.
- cavisne 7y agoI suspect there will be flights, from the UK (which is why it was left off).
- sjg007 7y agofor about 5 days maybe.
- xtof 7y agoI suspect UK was left off because POTUS has resorts in Ireland and Scotland, and no where in Europe. There's nothing credible about UK being off the list while every surrounding country is on it.
- silasdavis 7y agoI thought it was a reward for our big beautiful breakfast
- alasdair_ 7y agoThe UK is an Island nation with entry controls - passports are required even from the EU and there is at least token screening at the airports and docks of people with fever or other virus symptoms. Not that it’s the same thing, but being an island (so no walking traffic) and having some screening in place means that the UK simply doesn’t have certain diseases (like rabies) that are at least somewhat common in Europe. Honestly though, the UK is one of, if not THE, staunchest ally of the US and banning its citizens would cause some minor political issues.
- chx 7y agoYeah but the UK certainly has the coronavirus and more importantly, Heathrow has it. https://www.airport-technology.com/news/coronavirus-heathrow-baggage-handlers/ https://www.airport-technology.com/news/coronavirus-heathrow...
- sjg007 7y agoThe UK is about a week behind Europe in terms of covid 19
- Scarblac 7y agoIs that more or less than the US itself?
- _-___________-_ 7y agoThere may well be flights. Crew are exempt, so at least for slot-controlled airports it's probably worth flying anyway to keep the slot; you'll have some US citizens / permanent residents and their families, and you can fill the belly with cargo since you have spare weight. Might be worth it even for airports that aren't slot-controlled.
- Taniwha 7y agoHere in NZ the largest airport with such slots has waived that rule for the duration meaning that airlines can reduce their flights without losing their slots (and therefore be more likely still be around to be a customer for the airport when it is all over)
- kitteh 7y agoVarious aviation authorities in Europe are relaxing the requirements that is driving the slot controls & ghost flights. Don't have the link now but read it earlier.
- hanche 7y agoHere is one link: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/10/eu-airlines-ghost-flights-coronavirus-fightback-airport-landing-rules-empty-planes https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/10/eu-airlines...
- pedrosorio 7y agoa) is not only citizens but also permanent residents, which I believe do not have the same legal protections
- tonyztan 7y agoIANAL, but while lawful permanent residents do not have the same protections, they still have certain protections that make it legally unclear whether the president can categorically bar entry without an immigration court proceeding for each individual: "Section 212(f) can certainly apply to applicants for immigrant visas. Whether it can apply to an LPR who is returning and not seeking admission is questionable. This is because under section 101(a)(13)(C), an LPR being covered by a Presidential Proclamation under section 212(f) would not cause the LPR to be considered to be seeking admission." http://myattorneyusa.com/scope-and-history-of-section-212f-presidential-authority-to-suspendrestrict-entry-by-proclamation#APPLICABILITY%20OF%20THE%20PROVISION%20TO%20PERMANENT%20RESIDENTS http://myattorneyusa.com/scope-and-history-of-section-212f-p... "An alien returning to the United States who has been granted lawful permanent resident status cannot be regarded as seeking an admission and may not be charged with inadmissibility under section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a) (2012), if he or she does not fall within any of the exceptions in section 101(a)(13)(C) of the Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(13)(C) (2012)." https://www.justice.gov/eoir/file/478111/download https://www.justice.gov/eoir/file/478111/download
- tathougies 7y agoYou can't refuse to readmit a US citizen (as in a person that can prove that they're readily a US citizen). They can force you into quarantine and take all your stuff, but you have a right to be in the country.
- squiggleblaz 7y agoEven without a passport? If I rocked up to the border of my country without a passport I'm pretty sure I'd be thrown into a detention centre if I wasn't deported on the spot.
- HelloMcFly 7y agoDeported to where? :) Yes, you cannot be refused entry as a US citizen even without a passport. You will be greatly inconvenienced, but not refused. You may be held in a detention center or holding facility until such time as your identity can be verified.
- bufferoverflow 7y agoYou can't fly to the US without a passport. They wouldn't let you board the plane without it.
- toomuchtodo 7y agoYou and OP are both right. No one will let you (as a US citizen) board an aircraft back to the US without a passport (so you'll have to head over to a local embassy to get a replacement if you don't have one on your person), but CBP must (not shall, must) allow you re-admittance at a land border without a passport (at which point they will verify your citizenship through a tedious process).
- ForHackernews 7y agoYou'd be detained but if you asserted you are a US citizen they are obligated to try and establish the truth of your claim. They'll call family and friends and access government records. In an edge case, I imagine they'd hold a hearing with an immigration judge. In college, friends of mine frequently went out partying in Tijuana and occasionally lost their passports. They were usually held for a few hours at the border crossing and given a hard time and a stern lecture about responsible behaviour before being readmitted to the US.
- Scoundreller 7y ago> a) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting them for a crime you can't really keep them from coming home. The trick is to get the airline to be your police and refuse them boarding. Then your only choice is to get to a Port of Entry via Canada, Mexico, private jet or chartered boat.