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Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspo
by BryantD 7y ago
Important updates:
a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1].
b) This does not apply to cargo[2].
It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2.
[1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting....
[2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208 https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208
- Jommi 7y agoThankfully it was just a small error... Also looks like it won't affect outbound flights either?
- jessriedel 7y agoOutbound flights are going to get a hell of a lot more expensive if all the planes have to return to the US empty.
- Jommi 7y agoWould assume that any flights booked in under 30 days before travel will be expensive no matter what the situation.
- killjoywashere 7y agoNah, all planes are just going to be routed through a non-European destination en route back. The Azores are about to be very popular.
- throwaway092855 7y agoThe Azores is part of Portugal, which is on the travel ban list.
- giarc 7y agoThe ban is on the Schengen area, which does include the Azores.
- killjoywashere 7y agoI live on an island. There are all sorts of weird legal things that play out on these bits of rock. I suspect that there are all sorts of lawyers reading interesting bits of definitions of treaties and history right now.
- tdhoot 7y agoIt's about whether you've been to Europe at all in the 14 days preceding, not about whether your immediate origin was European.
- Scoundreller 7y agoAnd for Schengen, you'll have a stamp in and out (assuming 1 passport).
- hectormalot 7y agoNo Schengen stamps if you already live in the Schengen area. Unless there is data sharing the US gov wouldn’t be able to see it from a passport. I suppose it will be another question on the form. Next to ‘I am not a terrorist’
- hrasyid 7y agoNot to mention probably there's only a small use case of going to Europe without needing to return.
- mminer237 7y agoUS citizens can always return though. It's kind of unconstitutional to stop them from returning.
- sangnoir 7y agoThere is the small matter of a 2-week quarantine upon return though.
- Fezzik 7y agoJust because citizens can legally return does not mean that doing so is viable or economical - the government has no legal obligation to make sure there are 1) flights to and from the US that 2) are affordable. Those are going to be the big issues.
- Scoundreller 7y ago> It's kind of unconstitutional to stop them from returning. Sort of. The trick is to get the airline overseas to refuse boarding. (Probably) not unconstitutional because it's not US soil. Just like how the US directs airlines overseas to refuse boarding if you show a US birth certificate and photo ID instead of a US passport.
- dbbk 7y agoHe made several errors. He also said Europe minus the UK was banned, but it's actually the Schengen Area.
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- anigbrowl 7y agoMisspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.
- lazugod 7y agoAre you saying it is more accurate to call it a lie?
- kyleee 7y agoThat sounds like the subtext
- ComputerGuru 7y agoI imagine what he meant was that the administration is now backtracking on that statement.
- anigbrowl 7y agoYes. I don't think it was a lie since it would needlessly create problems, but it was either the initial idea that was hastily revised after seeing the market reaction, or rank carelessness. It's fun to joke about a politician's gaffes, and simple verbal slips are understandable - I noticed several in the speech but they were not substantive or significant. However, I think when drafting and reading a preapred statement on a topic of grave importance politicians have an obligation to say what they actually mean.
- Proziam 7y ago[EDIT] Since the downvotes have started pouring in, I have to ask. Do you really attribute to this error to malice rather than stupidity? Given that the administration immediately (within minutes? edit: [0]yes, within minutes) made a correction I find it difficult to believe it was deliberate misinformation. I mean, miscommunication happens. Trump didn't invent the plan, he was advised by others and gave the go-ahead. Then, his advisors drafted all of the details of the plan (probably in very short order). And of course, he didn't write the speech, someone prepared it for him. Afterward, the speech changed hands numerous times until some staff member loaded it into the prompter. Someone definitely messed up, but it's hard for me to see how anyone could blame the speaker for this one. Assuming there's no partisanship, of course. [0]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/11/trump-clarifies-europe-travel-remark-says-ban-doesnt-apply-cargo/5028734002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/11/trum...
- whatsmyusername 7y agoI mean Cheeto said it so I already assumed it wasn’t right.
- rtkwe 7y agoa) is because as I understand it it's /very/ hard to legally refuse to readmit a US citizen. You can seize all their stuff at the border but besides arresting them for a crime you can't really keep them from coming home.
- LeifCarrotson 7y agoAs a US citizen currently on a business trip out of the country, that's really good to know!
- throwaway7877 7y agoYou may still fave mandatory quarantine. Plan accordingly. PS- Good luck!
- t0mas88 7y agoIf at all possible, try to get a flight back on a US carrier or a connecting flight via London. It's more likely that Delta/United/American will operate a flight back to the US than for example Lufthansa flying a mostly empty plane to the US. Not in the least because it would look bad in PR terms for a US based airline to leave US citizens stranded in Europe, while a European carrier not flying to the US would attribute the same decision to "Trump does not allow us in".
- nerfhammer 7y agoimmigration law does not apply to citizens, basically at all. customs does, but immigration does not.
- sjg007 7y agoDoesn’t matter if there’s no flights or boats.
- cavisne 7y agoI suspect there will be flights, from the UK (which is why it was left off).
- _-___________-_ 7y agoCrew are also exempt.
- lazybreather 7y agoWhat about connecting flights with layover in Frankfurt?
- verst 7y agoIt also does not apply to Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs) AKA Greencard Holders
- cm2187 7y agoDoes it apply to H1B holders? (Are they “US residents”?)
- cranekam 7y agoI don't know for sure but my assumption is that H1B holders (and potentially green card holders, which are "permanent residents") are not excluded from this ban. As many others have mentioned here it's not easy to prevent a citizen from returning; permanent residents and visa holders can be refused entry much more easily. I didn't write this rule though so I don't know if this interpretation is correct.
- madeofpalk 7y agoMost importantly, H1B holders are not permanent residents. It's very much a temporary. Most countries that are issuing travel bans exclude citizens and permanent residents.
- ayberk 7y agoThis applies to H1B holders. Basically if you have a non-immigrant visa, you can assume this rule applies to you. The rule only excludes US citizens, green card holders and their immediate families.