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Here in Austria the government forbade any indoor gatherings of >100 people (outdoor >500), all universities and colleges are closed (except administration and
by mrleiter 7y ago
Here in Austria the government forbade any indoor gatherings of >100 people (outdoor >500), all universities and colleges are closed (except administration and research), including libraries and also museums. All schools and kindergartens will gradually close coming monday. That's more than 1.5m students/pupils against a total population of 8.8m. Nurses and doctors are being honed in from retirement. We completely locked down our borders to Italy. This is all very unprecedented.
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- Florin_Andrei 7y agoFinally - vigorous, coordinated action. That's exactly what's needed right now and I'm glad to see countries stepping up to the challenge.
- mrleiter 7y agoYes, I'm glad. Currently we have 246 confirmed cases and with those measures they may rise slower than otherwise.
- StavrosK 7y agoIsn't this happening in many places? In Greece, schools are closing for two weeks, all gatherings are prohibited, and celebrations for various holidays have been canceled. Notably, the Church of Greece has announced that "the virus cannot be spread through Communion" (where everyone drinks wine from the same cup). You can imagine how angry this self-serving move made most people.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoSame in Poland. Schools, kindergartens, universities all closed starting Monday (Thursday and Friday are "if you must" to give people time to cope), but from what I hear from people, the Church considers itself to be a "hospital for the soul", and "you wouldn't close hospitals during a pandemic". smh. > "the virus cannot be spread through Communion" I assume Greece is Catholic, right? Because pope himself told people to take the "spiritual communion" instead of the actual one, and yet the Church in Poland doesn't seem to care. EDIT: sorry. Somehow I thought Orthodox is mainly in Russia. But my rant against Polish Catholic Church still stands. Pope himself shows people what to do, but in Poland, we're going to do the opposite.
- StavrosK 7y agoGreece is Orthodox, but I imagine each franchise has some leeway in its marketing. It seems that ours are just excessively greedy.
- bluGill 7y agoGreeze is probably orthodox not catholic. There is a difference, but I'm not sure what other than they don't report to the Pope, and they do recognize the pope (and vise versa)
- StavrosK 7y agoThere are dogmatic differences such as the Filioque, where one Church says that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only, whereas the other claims that it also proceeds from the son. It's kind of like the systemd rageforks, only for sillier (unless you're religious, I guess) reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism
- disgruntledphd2 7y agoI dunno, the details of Christian theology and doctrine and systemd doctrinal differences seem equally silly to me.
- manquer 7y agoUntil you get burnt by a bug/limitation which systemd team consider as feature.
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- nerfhammer 7y agoit's Greek Orthodox Catholic, which is not a part of the Roman Catholic church.
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- philsnow 7y ago> Notably, the Church of Greece has announced that "the virus cannot be spread through Communion" (where everyone drinks wine from the same cup). Catholics in Greece are overwhelmingly Orthodox. The Orthodox Catholic church distributes holy communion differently, with a spoon (there is a particular term for it, but I don't know it) that doesn't touch the communicant's mouth. So, they're not drinking from a communal cup. It's entirely possible for the communicant to exhale / cough / sneeze on the spoon. I don't know what the priest would do if this were to happen. As an aside, it's widespread right now (but maybe not universal) in Catholic dioceses to not even provide the cup to the congregation during Communion (which is perfectly fine according to Catholic theology btw). edit: additionally, I recently heard about a dispensation in at least one diocese for people who are in any of the COVID-19 risk categories that they don't need to receive Communion for now. I don't know whether this also dispenses them from attending Mass on Sundays (which is otherwise an obligation for all Catholics).
- StavrosK 7y agoDo you mean "Christians"? There are very few Catholics here. The spoon very much touches the communicant's mouth, and the priest dips it back in the cup afterwards. You're getting spoon-fed wine, essentially, with a whole lot of contact.
- philsnow 7y agoI'll take your word for it, I've been to Divine Liturgy exactly once. Do Orthodox folks not use the term "Catholic" for themselves? I just don't know very many.
- fokinsean 7y agoHere in Austin, SXSW was cancelled but I've seen numerous "unofficial party" lists of people organizing events. I understand people want to support the Austin economy since losing SXSW is a big hit, however it was cancelled to limit mass gatherings yet people still want to gather.
- 52-6F-62 7y agoPeople will of course want to gather still... I've always wanted to hit SXSW so I'd be pretty heartbroken, myself. Even still, my partner and I are keeping an eye open on flights to Europe (we've always wanted to go) and seriously considering taking the risk of buying a flight for in a couple of months time because they are quite literally at half price right now. And I'm not even talking about Italy. edit: Haha—to clarify, the risk being flight cancellation or border closures not catching or spreading disease. 2nd edit: Wow. I'm drawing a little ire here. I'll reiterate: the risk is in not being able to go because the problem continues. Please take the charitable view (and of my whole comment, not snippets)—not the one that I'm some kind of monster :)
- jf 7y ago> I've always wanted to hit SXSW so I'd be pretty heartbroken, myself. Save your heartache. SXSW lost its "soul" many years ago.
- MS90 7y agoFor the modern SXSW experience, just go to the local supermarket when it's ultra busy and the parking lot is full. Park your car among the rest and just sit in it.
- 52-6F-62 7y agoWell that's a shame. Guess I'll visit Austin on some other day.
- MS90 7y agoYou'd honestly probably have a better time, unless there was something you specifically wanted to see at SXSW. So many people come into town for it that getting anywhere in the city becomes a nightmare.
- danlugo92 7y agoMakes the conspiracy theorist inside me think why are the governments are overreacting... Are they testing their reach for a future false flag?
- fit2rule 7y agoWestern governments do seem to be reacting to this major threat to our lives with a degree of callous disregard ..
- enumjorge 7y agoOverreacting? Did you miss the headline of the thread you’re commenting on? This is officially a pandemic. And instead of reading that and thinking “wow, this needs to be addressed with serious action” you instead thought that hundreds of governments across the world are working in tandem to make it easier to raise false flags in the future. Yikes.
- brazzledazzle 7y agoIf that’s their thought process about a pandemic announcement from the WHO I’m not sure the conspiracy theorist is just “inside” them any longer.
- harrier 7y agoOver 49 thousand people die from Pneumonia every year in the United States[1]. Under 5 thousand have died globally from COVID-2019[2]. Does this information change your perspective? [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm [2] https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200311-sitrep-51-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=1ba62e57_4 https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati...
- pixl97 7y agoNo, not at all. Because covid is just in the earily stages of spreading. At it's best it will kill far more than 50k this year alone and become endemic so it continues to kill at many on top of flu. At its worst it stands to kill a lot more.
- fit2rule 7y agoIt has really been a lackadaisical response from the Austrian government - shades of Semmelweis all over again? This is a country that has monuments to Plague victims in its most valued districts .. Going to be an interesting few weeks as we see how things proceed. To think, somewhere out there, the virus lurks and is headed our way ..
- m4rtink 7y agoPlague monuments are hardly an Austria specific thing, you can find them almost everywhere in a large part of Europe, including here in Czech Republic: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pests%C3%A4ule https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pests%C3%A4ule (in German)
- jmkni 7y agoThere's probably about 500 people in the massive open plan office I work in. We're just sitting ducks.
- krick 7y agoSame here. And it's not like I can just head home freely.
- dorgo 7y agoI did just that. I couldn't concentrate on work in a big office. I'm canceling meetings (or changing them to video conferences). I think I can get away with it for a week or two. And in two weeks I expect my employer to order home office for everybody anyway.
- dcolkitt 7y agoYou need to approach senior management, and press them on what their plan is. Why aren't they already transitioning to remote work? Is there a timeline in place? What are their criteria about what would trigger WFH? What about employees with elderly family members at home? Do they have the necessary systems in place to support a fully remote staff? It's very likely that management has simply avoided thinking about the topic entirely. If the employees press them for a concrete action plan, then that at least prompts them to start engaging in objective analysis.
- jmkni 7y agoYeah. It's a massive multinational company, so I'm sure they're thinking about it. Technically no barriers to working from home (I do it every Friday), tempted to just start doing it every day, but would rather they made a formal decision on it first.
- toasterlovin 7y agoWhat happens if you just tell them you’re doing it, rather than ask for permission?
- mNovak 7y agoWas wondering about the response in Austria, thanks. Haven't seen much over at ORF.at. I have older extended family there I worry about.
- dx034 7y agoAustria isn't as badly hit as Italy, despite the short distance to the most affected regions in Italy. They took quite drastic measures early which hopefully slows down the spread. It also helps that much of the traffic from Italy continues on northwards towards Germany and therefore bypasses the main population centers in Austria. But as in all countries by now, older folks should stay home and self quarantine whenever possible.
- 00deadbeef 7y agoHere in the UK our government thinks washing our hands will save us.
- neuronic 7y agoIt makes a tremendous difference, so don't downplay it. Infection due to smear (secondary droplet) is really high IIRC and washing hands is a huge countermeasure.
- eric-hu 7y agoIt's necessary but not sufficient to stop the spread. I'm currently just avoiding bringing the topic up with my sister who traveled from the UK to America last month. She repeatedly brushed off the topic because the UK government kept saying it's essentially the flu. Now she's in America with her 2 year old and I'm betting she'll probably fly back to the UK under these conditions.
- neuronic 7y agoIt's not about stopping but delaying.
- dx034 7y agoIt likely will. If all people washed their hands properly and avoid touching their face that would probably slow infection rates down enough. Measures are needed because realistically, no one follows these orders enough.