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If a company took your code and made a service people like and enjoy with that code, how is that not benefiting the community? The bsd licence gave us the iPhon

If a company took your code and made a service people like and enjoy with that code, how is that not benefiting the community? The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. Doesn't that benefit mankind?

imtringued 7y ago
The project is the service that people like and enjoy.
abdullahkhalids 7y ago
Should you not compare the mean benefit to some community for the two cases of releasing the code either as BSD or as AGPL? Of course you will have to include counterfactual scenarios, rather than what you did: summing up the total benefits of only observed scenarios. Obviously, averaging over counterfactuals is difficult, if not impossible in practice, so people go with intuition. It remains up for debate which way is the better basis for a ethical decision theory.
djaque 7y ago
If I only wanted to provide a service people used then I'd just start a company and charge for my product. This is about getting a fair deal in the case where I distribute my work for free. I'm not OK with a company turning around and profiting off of it without paying their fair shair, whether that be a licensing fee or by giving back to the community.
pfalcon 7y ago
> The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. I wouldn't put it like that. It wants to "bill" people for a grand each, and gave billions to some company. But most importantly, what about the guy who wrote that BSD code - he didn't die unable to buy medicines for cancer? No? Then it's all good.
ryukafalz 7y ago
Its users may like and enjoy it, but only ever as users. The community has lost the right to shape the project as they wish. The software becomes a tool of influence over its users. I don’t think that benefits them. > The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. Doesn't that benefit mankind? The BSD license gave Apple a start to build the iPhone; Apple gave us devices that we aren’t given full access to even though we ostensibly own them. No, I’m not sure that’s a net benefit for humanity.
- jsjddbbwj 7y ago
  There is the option of buying Android. If people choose the iPhone it's because they don't care about having full access to the phone, or even see that as a positive because of malware concerns. So if so many people freely buy iPhones, it's because they like them.

If a company took your code and made a service people like and enjoy with that code, how is that not benefiting the community? The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. Doesn't that benefit mankind?

imtringued 7y ago

The project is the service that people like and enjoy.

abdullahkhalids 7y ago

Should you not compare the mean benefit to some community for the two cases of releasing the code either as BSD or as AGPL? Of course you will have to include counterfactual scenarios, rather than what you did: summing up the total benefits of only observed scenarios. Obviously, averaging over counterfactuals is difficult, if not impossible in practice, so people go with intuition. It remains up for debate which way is the better basis for a ethical decision theory.

djaque 7y ago

If I only wanted to provide a service people used then I'd just start a company and charge for my product. This is about getting a fair deal in the case where I distribute my work for free. I'm not OK with a company turning around and profiting off of it without paying their fair shair, whether that be a licensing fee or by giving back to the community.

pfalcon 7y ago

> The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. I wouldn't put it like that. It wants to "bill" people for a grand each, and gave billions to some company. But most importantly, what about the guy who wrote that BSD code - he didn't die unable to buy medicines for cancer? No? Then it's all good.

ryukafalz 7y ago

Its users may like and enjoy it, but only ever as users. The community has lost the right to shape the project as they wish. The software becomes a tool of influence over its users. I don’t think that benefits them. > The bsd licence gave us the iPhone. Doesn't that benefit mankind? The BSD license gave Apple a start to build the iPhone; Apple gave us devices that we aren’t given full access to even though we ostensibly own them. No, I’m not sure that’s a net benefit for humanity.

jsjddbbwj 7y ago
There is the option of buying Android. If people choose the iPhone it's because they don't care about having full access to the phone, or even see that as a positive because of malware concerns. So if so many people freely buy iPhones, it's because they like them.