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And is manifestly the opposite goal of Apple, which is to create a privacy firewall between users and apps.

techntoke 7y ago
Lol, Apple's goal is the lock you into their ecosystem so that it is near impossible to ever switch away. Privacy comes with customer's controlling their data and Android has F-Droid.
akiselev 7y ago
Or they've run out of high growth low hanging fruit and are trying to grab a bigger piece of the pie now that the app ecosystem has fleshed out the tracking and mobile ads market. The number of privacy conscious users is minuscule compared to the rest of the market (I'd love to be some evidence otherwise) and Apple is a corporation. Its way forward is clear.
djannzjkzxn 7y ago
It’s interesting that we would interpret exactly the same behavior as evil when done by one faceless corporation and good when done by another. It’s almost as though our interpretations are a Rorschach test where we just repeat PR and media narratives, rather than the product of independent thought.
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
  Or we can read trends. Google earned its reputation for siphoning any data the can, while Apple has a precedent for making systems that are secure even against Apple.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    I’m pro-Apple but will be all-in to the Apple Cares camp when they encrypt iCloud backups.
- scarface74 7y ago
  It’s not that Apple is “good” and Google is “bad”. Apple’s “strategy credit” is that their business model is not predicated on collecting user information. Even Facebook can say that they will not have data centers in non democratic countries. Something that Apple can’t say. Since FB isn’t allowed in most non democratic countries, even it can spin their business model to their advantage.
  - millstone 7y ago
    Yes, and the business model is a choice.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      So you’re saying that: A) Google could choose to start a business selling high margin hardware so it wouldn’t need to sell targeted ads? B) Apple could choose not to sell in the world’s most populous country? How would the shareholders or board feel about that?
- 1123581321 7y ago
  They aren’t exactly the same. Google’s sign in shares your email address and “basic profile info,” e.g., your name. You may then be asked for a number of additional permissions. Apple’s lets you choose what name to give to the developer, if they even ask, and gives you the option to use an Apple relay email if you don’t want to give your email. You won’t be asked for more permissions. Apple also says they don’t track the apps you use or your activity and their terms forbid the developer from associating your relay email with other email addresses; Google has very clear privacy policy requirements but does track. Given that, I wouldn’t say this is a mere Rorschach test.
- hurricanetc 7y ago
  Sign in with Google hands over a ton of information to both Google and the app. Sign In with Apple hands over zero information to either. It’s not exactly the same behavior at all.

Lol, Apple's goal is the lock you into their ecosystem so that it is near impossible to ever switch away. Privacy comes with customer's controlling their data and Android has F-Droid.

akiselev 7y ago

Or they've run out of high growth low hanging fruit and are trying to grab a bigger piece of the pie now that the app ecosystem has fleshed out the tracking and mobile ads market. The number of privacy conscious users is minuscule compared to the rest of the market (I'd love to be some evidence otherwise) and Apple is a corporation. Its way forward is clear.

djannzjkzxn 7y ago

It’s interesting that we would interpret exactly the same behavior as evil when done by one faceless corporation and good when done by another. It’s almost as though our interpretations are a Rorschach test where we just repeat PR and media narratives, rather than the product of independent thought.

yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
Or we can read trends. Google earned its reputation for siphoning any data the can, while Apple has a precedent for making systems that are secure even against Apple.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  I’m pro-Apple but will be all-in to the Apple Cares camp when they encrypt iCloud backups.
scarface74 7y ago
It’s not that Apple is “good” and Google is “bad”. Apple’s “strategy credit” is that their business model is not predicated on collecting user information. Even Facebook can say that they will not have data centers in non democratic countries. Something that Apple can’t say. Since FB isn’t allowed in most non democratic countries, even it can spin their business model to their advantage.
- millstone 7y ago
  Yes, and the business model is a choice.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    So you’re saying that: A) Google could choose to start a business selling high margin hardware so it wouldn’t need to sell targeted ads? B) Apple could choose not to sell in the world’s most populous country? How would the shareholders or board feel about that?
1123581321 7y ago
They aren’t exactly the same. Google’s sign in shares your email address and “basic profile info,” e.g., your name. You may then be asked for a number of additional permissions. Apple’s lets you choose what name to give to the developer, if they even ask, and gives you the option to use an Apple relay email if you don’t want to give your email. You won’t be asked for more permissions. Apple also says they don’t track the apps you use or your activity and their terms forbid the developer from associating your relay email with other email addresses; Google has very clear privacy policy requirements but does track. Given that, I wouldn’t say this is a mere Rorschach test.
hurricanetc 7y ago
Sign in with Google hands over a ton of information to both Google and the app. Sign In with Apple hands over zero information to either. It’s not exactly the same behavior at all.