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Statement by a quarantined nurse from a northern California Kaiser facility [pdf]

24 points by claudeganon 7y ago

claudeganon 7y ago
Video version here: https://mobile.twitter.com/NNUBonnie/status/1235663306246860800 https://mobile.twitter.com/NNUBonnie/status/1235663306246860...
eucryphia 7y ago
Health professionals are subject to triage just like ordinary patients? In a pandemic most people will be a long way out on the tail.
tomohawk 7y ago
Waiting in line. Priority subject to unaccountable officials. Yup, sounds like government run healthcare.
- ajurna 7y ago
  you're right! lets just let the free market decide! /s in reality though these are private institutions run with private money. how can you blame the government when it seems they have little interest in acknowledging there is a problem in the first case.
  - tomohawk 7y ago
    I didn't realize that the county and state health officials, as well as the CDC were private institutions. My bad.
ebcode 7y ago
The CDC needs to clean house.
dusted 7y ago
If the world had taken this seriously a month ago we wouldn't be in this situation. If the world took it seriously today, we wouldn't be as fucked as we're going to be a month from now. Front-line personnel must always be first priority, because they deserve that, and because everyone else needs them.
- dekhn 7y ago
  If we took it seriously, what would we have done differently? Do you think there are specific actions that we could have done, and what would the different outcome be?
  - WarOnPrivacy 7y ago
    "The CDC shunned WHO test guidelines used by other countries and set out to create a more complicated test of its own that could identify a range of similar viruses. But when it was sent to labs across the country in the first week of February, it didn’t work as expected." https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-... The CDC could have adoopted the WHO guidelines for testing at the start. It's reasonable to assume that if they had, the US would now have a much greater testing capacity.
    - dekhn 7y ago
      What, specifically, do you think more testing will do? Think through the implications, for example, if we test an enormous number of people and they are positive, do we quarantine them? We don't actually have the health infrastructure to do that (nor the political will to run large-scale quarantines). (personally, I think the CDC is a lot wiser than WHO about what to do in the US, and making decisions during a rapidly expanding epidemiological situation isn't just trivial "test more people").
      - WarOnPrivacy 7y ago
        >What, specifically, do you think more testing will do? The CDC & other testing authorities have been systematically denying requests by doctors and other health professionals, to test people who are at meaningful risk of Covid-19 infection. Indications are this is due to a lack of testing capacity. There are numerous news reports of CDC refusing testing. It seems odd that anyone is missing them. Here are some examples of what I'm referring to https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/N... https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-man-denied-coronavirus-test-japan-trip-fever-cough-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-man-denied-coronavi... https://news.yahoo.com/us-patient-coronavirus-unknown-origin-denied-test-days-223535154.html https://news.yahoo.com/us-patient-coronavirus-unknown-origin... Here's a case where doctors kept pushing back against CDC refusals. Eventually the woman tested positive. https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-floyd-county-hospital-reports-preliminary-case-coronavirus/jdJ51FpSCJGJk4gibQEg6M/amp.html https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-floyd-county... If these aren't enough examples of CDC's ongoing testing problems, there are plenty of others - all there for the searching.

24 points by claudeganon 7y ago

Video version here: https://mobile.twitter.com/NNUBonnie/status/1235663306246860800 https://mobile.twitter.com/NNUBonnie/status/1235663306246860...

eucryphia 7y ago

Health professionals are subject to triage just like ordinary patients? In a pandemic most people will be a long way out on the tail.

tomohawk 7y ago

Waiting in line. Priority subject to unaccountable officials. Yup, sounds like government run healthcare.

ajurna 7y ago
you're right! lets just let the free market decide! /s in reality though these are private institutions run with private money. how can you blame the government when it seems they have little interest in acknowledging there is a problem in the first case.
- tomohawk 7y ago
  I didn't realize that the county and state health officials, as well as the CDC were private institutions. My bad.

ebcode 7y ago

The CDC needs to clean house.

dusted 7y ago

If the world had taken this seriously a month ago we wouldn't be in this situation. If the world took it seriously today, we wouldn't be as fucked as we're going to be a month from now. Front-line personnel must always be first priority, because they deserve that, and because everyone else needs them.

dekhn 7y ago
If we took it seriously, what would we have done differently? Do you think there are specific actions that we could have done, and what would the different outcome be?
- WarOnPrivacy 7y ago
  "The CDC shunned WHO test guidelines used by other countries and set out to create a more complicated test of its own that could identify a range of similar viruses. But when it was sent to labs across the country in the first week of February, it didn’t work as expected." https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-... The CDC could have adoopted the WHO guidelines for testing at the start. It's reasonable to assume that if they had, the US would now have a much greater testing capacity.
  - dekhn 7y ago
    What, specifically, do you think more testing will do? Think through the implications, for example, if we test an enormous number of people and they are positive, do we quarantine them? We don't actually have the health infrastructure to do that (nor the political will to run large-scale quarantines). (personally, I think the CDC is a lot wiser than WHO about what to do in the US, and making decisions during a rapidly expanding epidemiological situation isn't just trivial "test more people").
    - WarOnPrivacy 7y ago
      >What, specifically, do you think more testing will do? The CDC & other testing authorities have been systematically denying requests by doctors and other health professionals, to test people who are at meaningful risk of Covid-19 infection. Indications are this is due to a lack of testing capacity. There are numerous news reports of CDC refusing testing. It seems odd that anyone is missing them. Here are some examples of what I'm referring to https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/NU-Quarantine-RN-press-conf-statement.pdf https://act.nationalnursesunited.org/page/-/files/graphics/N... https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-man-denied-coronavirus-test-japan-trip-fever-cough-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-man-denied-coronavi... https://news.yahoo.com/us-patient-coronavirus-unknown-origin-denied-test-days-223535154.html https://news.yahoo.com/us-patient-coronavirus-unknown-origin... Here's a case where doctors kept pushing back against CDC refusals. Eventually the woman tested positive. https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-floyd-county-hospital-reports-preliminary-case-coronavirus/jdJ51FpSCJGJk4gibQEg6M/amp.html https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-floyd-county... If these aren't enough examples of CDC's ongoing testing problems, there are plenty of others - all there for the searching.