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Gov report bizarrely claims net neutrality repeal raised incomes $50B a year

171 points by belltaco 7y ago

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
Wouldn't that show it harmed the consumer, to the tune of $50B (~$170 each)? I just heard Ajit Pai (sp?) talking on Freakonomics podcast, he was lying really effectively. Impressive interviewing nonetheless, probing but not badgering.
dmix 7y ago
It's obvious they are just making shit up and referenced something unrelated (DSL deregulation) to make it seem legitimate. The person who wrote it probably knew it was a stretch. I don't see how this article is that interesting or will generate much interesting conversations here on HN. This is politics baseless future-promises 101 stuff, just at a new completely not-giving-a-shit level. Which is only mildly interesting. The question of whether the deregulation will do anything at all is still open to be seen. I've long said that tiered ISP pricing will never be a thing (ie, Comcast offering a "movies and social network package" vs a normal broadband monthly deal or mobile operators doing the same), regardless of lack of FCC protection, because it just doesn't make any sense as a business model or service, not to mention it would face a big industry backlash - an industry the whole arrangement relies on. But I got downvoted plenty before on HN early on by people who think we need it written down into law and enforced by FCC, regardless of its practicality, which I guess is fair. But I still see very little (or almost zero) industry movement towards any of those scenarios people were claiming was going to happen a year or two ago during all the hysteria over the move to "deregulate" the FCC. There was always far more in the way of those anti-net neutrality worst-case scenarios becoming reality than the FCC, IMO. The proposed scenarios only vaguely make sense in the developing world, not in the US, in places where you could bottom out pricing for access to networks, but it's already so cheap and established I don't see how any company could survive legitimately offering artificially limited internet access (beyond government protected oligopolies like we have here in Canada all agreeing to do it at the same time, which is again a huge stretch and nothing to do with the FCC).
- mygo 7y ago
  > I don't see how any company could survive legitimately offering artificially limited internet access Many ISPs are monopolies in their markets. You may have the privilege of choice where you lived, but I’ve been in a state capital city where if you wanted broadband cable internet you had to get it from one provider, since they owned all the infrastructure. You could try to make your cell phone act as a hot spot (or buy a mobile hotspot that used cellular reception from a different vendor), but that was hit or miss depending on your proximity to a tower. Your statement would make sense where people had a legitimate choice of a provider. But for many people, there is only one choice for broadband in their market.
- whatshisface 7y ago
  If the industry was never going to bundle or selectively throttle, why did they care whether it was illegal or legal?
  - dmix 7y ago
    Because the industry executives are as dumb as the politicians and had no other ideas to move the needle on what is essentially a static commodity like the electricity grid in a plateauing market. Doesn't mean it was ever a practical idea. I've always said we can make laws when or if it actually happens. Because in the meantime we've all been getting upset and wasting time over highly impractical scenarios... and net neutrality has had a serious force and backing, which is good. But in regards to the FCC there's so many more important things to be spending our hacker concern-resources on IMO. For example the FCC (or FTC) should be looking into the millions of Indian (et al) call scammers which are wrecking havoc across the western world - which is an obvious and very real epidemic of fraud that is happening right now and very few western gov are doing anything about the millions of older people getting scammed every day. Much of which transits through legit American infrastructure and web services. Then wake me up when a single ISP or mobile operator does anything close to what people have been claiming they will do.
    - hellotomyrars 7y ago
      It may not have ended up in the nightmare scenario but I still pay Comcast more money for less service now. If I want unlimited data I have to shell out $50 extra a month. Also this is a symptom of a bigger problem. You want the FCC to focus on problems which you feel are more serious. That's fine. I agree. The FCC should do something. Anything. The problem is the FCC is weak as hell and not willing to take meaningful action on basically anything at this point.
LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
When even the bribe excuse ghost writer is on minimum wage.
beeschlenker 7y ago
So you're telling us the DowJones is down 4,000 this week because of a sickness with a death rate of 2.3%...are you sure it is not something else? Global stock markets have lost $6 trillion in value in six days. It possibly because Soros, Putin, and others are moving money out of the US so that it cannot be taken in lawsuits resulting from their involvement in the story below. Unless of course you believe it is because of COVID19 aka Coronavirus, a sickness with a 2.3% death rate. See below: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-720... Attorney General Barr is not resigning; not before President Trump does. Barr is the same as Mueller,Pelosi,Schiff, & Nadler: feign opposition to cover the true motive of obstruction to keep Trump in power. Supreme Court Justice Alito & FBI Deputy Director Wray also on board. See latest updates "Impeachment" Is A Diversion And Delay - Part II: Blocking of the "impeachment" witnesses was collusion planned before the new year. Listen to an FBI agent's disclosure from January 1, 2O2O here. The President was to resign late summer securing election for DNC. See latest updates. Here is the zip file, which was also made available in the 3Jan2O2O update. The file within is VID_20200101_201948.mp3. Turn up the volume and put on headphones. BB10Mp3Footage31Dec1Jan.zip 122.4mb https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpIUazmi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpI... The dialogue about the impeachment starts near the beginning. Having Biden in the White House is as good as Trump or anyone else in their organization. Obviously Schiff and Nadler pledged their allegiance to the organization by raping boys on the record, with their task being to drag out an impeachment designed to obstruct and delay any real efforts to remove the President, thus keeping Trump in power. The witness blocking was to cause an apparent uproar delaying things with legal actions until late Summer. Soon after, the President would resign, leaving any other candidate with not enough time or support to compete with an opportunistic Biden, who is as good as Trump or any other Illuminati friendly politician in the Presidency. 172 page PDF [last update: March|3|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... Previously reported: \Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. 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This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF that was last updated on 3 Mar 2O2O: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). President Donald Trump: Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24fY0vBB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f... 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJojHge/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ... President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including five boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 10:33 am on the 17 Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterrey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 Yopujwmcwef, cwhbenclewgve. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, New York on the 17th Jan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5Jan'19 at 17:39 for billion$ in bribes:. dsavf awdva. r weqvvrvq. 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at twenty minutes in- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts at 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5:15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 172 page PDF [last updated: MAR|3|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US Recently more relevant: From page 49, Senator Mitch McConnell: At 1632 Senator Mitch McConnell checks into the Porter camera system inquiring if he can be part of the "eviction" for $10 million dollars. He is informed by group members that there are enough people for the event already and his participation is not necessary. At 1634 McConnell states "I fucked 15 kids, how am I not getting paid by you?" He is dismissed by Donald Reeves with "I think that will be all Mr. McConnell." 13JanCh3_1600-1700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAHtsX8-/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAH...
mistrial9 7y ago
not long ago ... https://boingboing.net/2017/10/28/warning-taken-as-suggestion.html https://boingboing.net/2017/10/28/warning-taken-as-suggestio...
cs702 7y ago
This is the sort of "made up data that is politically convenient" that I would expect to see only from the most corrupt governments in some of the poorest, most underdeveloped parts of the world, not from the most powerful nation on earth. I'm speechless.
- jerf 7y ago
  This is not even remotely new. You just haven't seen it before, because literally nobody cares about what these documents say.
- matheusmoreira 7y ago
  Why would the USA not be corrupt just because it's a powerful nation? It covertly surveils its entire population and can strip citizens of their rights if they think they're terrorists. If anything, their power just makes the corruption worse.
  - beepboopbeep 7y ago
    Because it's a democracy with a very well established bureaucratic epidermis that stretches from federal to local level. It's a vast and complex entity that operates on defined rules. Until trump, the infection of fickle, cynical politics never made it very deep because the folks operating in that bureaucratic layer were career people with operational ethics (and frankly were quite boring-- by design), not nominated people. The sycophants are purging those people now. The rot is making its way deeper into the inner workings of the country like a cancer. Now they're not afraid of lying because that's what their rulers want them to do. Do whatever it takes to make the boss look good or suffer the consequences. That's the kind of behavior you expect from North Korea. Not the USA.
    - omgwtfbbqhihihi 7y ago
      Well developed does not mean that it is well designed.
      - 7y ago
notgoodrobot 7y ago
Maybe it's saving from lobbying?
aSplash0fDerp 7y ago
If they charged by the KB, it could have been over $100B a year.... Fake numbers and political theater are not a substitute for substance, and since the stewards in government have officially gone mad (a front for an embezzlement scheme), we should just go ahead and fast-forward a best-case scenario for a poisoned well..... In a whimsical kind of way, we just need the greybeards to agree that TCP/IP did not get it right (the 1st time) and go back to the drawing/drafting board to innovate a more robust offering of encapsulation. Bullies winning all of the special Olympic trophies has never been particularly entertaining, but I guess their persistence is something to be admired. Maybe they are special?!?!?!
skyzyx 7y ago
The liar is lying.
anm89 7y ago
ANY time I see figures about how much money or economic activity some piece of legislation generated, I value it at precisely zero. There are no accounting standards for it, it's never audited, it's just people throwing out a narrative. This one demonstrates this point as clearly as ever.

171 points by belltaco 7y ago

Wouldn't that show it harmed the consumer, to the tune of $50B (~$170 each)? I just heard Ajit Pai (sp?) talking on Freakonomics podcast, he was lying really effectively. Impressive interviewing nonetheless, probing but not badgering.

dmix 7y ago

It's obvious they are just making shit up and referenced something unrelated (DSL deregulation) to make it seem legitimate. The person who wrote it probably knew it was a stretch. I don't see how this article is that interesting or will generate much interesting conversations here on HN. This is politics baseless future-promises 101 stuff, just at a new completely not-giving-a-shit level. Which is only mildly interesting. The question of whether the deregulation will do anything at all is still open to be seen. I've long said that tiered ISP pricing will never be a thing (ie, Comcast offering a "movies and social network package" vs a normal broadband monthly deal or mobile operators doing the same), regardless of lack of FCC protection, because it just doesn't make any sense as a business model or service, not to mention it would face a big industry backlash - an industry the whole arrangement relies on. But I got downvoted plenty before on HN early on by people who think we need it written down into law and enforced by FCC, regardless of its practicality, which I guess is fair. But I still see very little (or almost zero) industry movement towards any of those scenarios people were claiming was going to happen a year or two ago during all the hysteria over the move to "deregulate" the FCC. There was always far more in the way of those anti-net neutrality worst-case scenarios becoming reality than the FCC, IMO. The proposed scenarios only vaguely make sense in the developing world, not in the US, in places where you could bottom out pricing for access to networks, but it's already so cheap and established I don't see how any company could survive legitimately offering artificially limited internet access (beyond government protected oligopolies like we have here in Canada all agreeing to do it at the same time, which is again a huge stretch and nothing to do with the FCC).

mygo 7y ago
> I don't see how any company could survive legitimately offering artificially limited internet access Many ISPs are monopolies in their markets. You may have the privilege of choice where you lived, but I’ve been in a state capital city where if you wanted broadband cable internet you had to get it from one provider, since they owned all the infrastructure. You could try to make your cell phone act as a hot spot (or buy a mobile hotspot that used cellular reception from a different vendor), but that was hit or miss depending on your proximity to a tower. Your statement would make sense where people had a legitimate choice of a provider. But for many people, there is only one choice for broadband in their market.
whatshisface 7y ago
If the industry was never going to bundle or selectively throttle, why did they care whether it was illegal or legal?
- dmix 7y ago
  Because the industry executives are as dumb as the politicians and had no other ideas to move the needle on what is essentially a static commodity like the electricity grid in a plateauing market. Doesn't mean it was ever a practical idea. I've always said we can make laws when or if it actually happens. Because in the meantime we've all been getting upset and wasting time over highly impractical scenarios... and net neutrality has had a serious force and backing, which is good. But in regards to the FCC there's so many more important things to be spending our hacker concern-resources on IMO. For example the FCC (or FTC) should be looking into the millions of Indian (et al) call scammers which are wrecking havoc across the western world - which is an obvious and very real epidemic of fraud that is happening right now and very few western gov are doing anything about the millions of older people getting scammed every day. Much of which transits through legit American infrastructure and web services. Then wake me up when a single ISP or mobile operator does anything close to what people have been claiming they will do.
  - hellotomyrars 7y ago
    It may not have ended up in the nightmare scenario but I still pay Comcast more money for less service now. If I want unlimited data I have to shell out $50 extra a month. Also this is a symptom of a bigger problem. You want the FCC to focus on problems which you feel are more serious. That's fine. I agree. The FCC should do something. Anything. The problem is the FCC is weak as hell and not willing to take meaningful action on basically anything at this point.

LifeLiverTransp 7y ago

When even the bribe excuse ghost writer is on minimum wage.

beeschlenker 7y ago

So you're telling us the DowJones is down 4,000 this week because of a sickness with a death rate of 2.3%...are you sure it is not something else? Global stock markets have lost $6 trillion in value in six days. It possibly because Soros, Putin, and others are moving money out of the US so that it cannot be taken in lawsuits resulting from their involvement in the story below. Unless of course you believe it is because of COVID19 aka Coronavirus, a sickness with a 2.3% death rate. See below: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-720... Attorney General Barr is not resigning; not before President Trump does. Barr is the same as Mueller,Pelosi,Schiff, & Nadler: feign opposition to cover the true motive of obstruction to keep Trump in power. Supreme Court Justice Alito & FBI Deputy Director Wray also on board. See latest updates "Impeachment" Is A Diversion And Delay - Part II: Blocking of the "impeachment" witnesses was collusion planned before the new year. Listen to an FBI agent's disclosure from January 1, 2O2O here. The President was to resign late summer securing election for DNC. See latest updates. Here is the zip file, which was also made available in the 3Jan2O2O update. The file within is VID_20200101_201948.mp3. Turn up the volume and put on headphones. BB10Mp3Footage31Dec1Jan.zip 122.4mb https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpIUazmi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpI... The dialogue about the impeachment starts near the beginning. Having Biden in the White House is as good as Trump or anyone else in their organization. Obviously Schiff and Nadler pledged their allegiance to the organization by raping boys on the record, with their task being to drag out an impeachment designed to obstruct and delay any real efforts to remove the President, thus keeping Trump in power. The witness blocking was to cause an apparent uproar delaying things with legal actions until late Summer. Soon after, the President would resign, leaving any other candidate with not enough time or support to compete with an opportunistic Biden, who is as good as Trump or any other Illuminati friendly politician in the Presidency. 172 page PDF [last update: March|3|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... Previously reported: \Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is what they are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power. $100+ billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country. 815+ deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty! See the latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump & his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ? Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 13O. Hoiohiuhrfe, jknbjkevew, vrmnowenbgewrg. port. \\if;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF that was last updated on 3 Mar 2O2O: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). President Donald Trump: Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24fY0vBB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f... 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJojHge/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ... President Trump rapes and kills twelve boys, including five boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 10:33 am on the 17 Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterrey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 Yopujwmcwef, cwhbenclewgve. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, New York on the 17th Jan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5Jan'19 at 17:39 for billion$ in bribes:. dsavf awdva. r weqvvrvq. 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at twenty minutes in- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts at 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5:15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 172 page PDF [last updated: MAR|3|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US Recently more relevant: From page 49, Senator Mitch McConnell: At 1632 Senator Mitch McConnell checks into the Porter camera system inquiring if he can be part of the "eviction" for $10 million dollars. He is informed by group members that there are enough people for the event already and his participation is not necessary. At 1634 McConnell states "I fucked 15 kids, how am I not getting paid by you?" He is dismissed by Donald Reeves with "I think that will be all Mr. McConnell." 13JanCh3_1600-1700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAHtsX8-/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAH...

mistrial9 7y ago

not long ago ... https://boingboing.net/2017/10/28/warning-taken-as-suggestion.html https://boingboing.net/2017/10/28/warning-taken-as-suggestio...

cs702 7y ago

This is the sort of "made up data that is politically convenient" that I would expect to see only from the most corrupt governments in some of the poorest, most underdeveloped parts of the world, not from the most powerful nation on earth. I'm speechless.

jerf 7y ago
This is not even remotely new. You just haven't seen it before, because literally nobody cares about what these documents say.
matheusmoreira 7y ago
Why would the USA not be corrupt just because it's a powerful nation? It covertly surveils its entire population and can strip citizens of their rights if they think they're terrorists. If anything, their power just makes the corruption worse.
- beepboopbeep 7y ago
  Because it's a democracy with a very well established bureaucratic epidermis that stretches from federal to local level. It's a vast and complex entity that operates on defined rules. Until trump, the infection of fickle, cynical politics never made it very deep because the folks operating in that bureaucratic layer were career people with operational ethics (and frankly were quite boring-- by design), not nominated people. The sycophants are purging those people now. The rot is making its way deeper into the inner workings of the country like a cancer. Now they're not afraid of lying because that's what their rulers want them to do. Do whatever it takes to make the boss look good or suffer the consequences. That's the kind of behavior you expect from North Korea. Not the USA.
  - omgwtfbbqhihihi 7y ago
    Well developed does not mean that it is well designed.
    - 7y ago

notgoodrobot 7y ago

Maybe it's saving from lobbying?

aSplash0fDerp 7y ago

If they charged by the KB, it could have been over $100B a year.... Fake numbers and political theater are not a substitute for substance, and since the stewards in government have officially gone mad (a front for an embezzlement scheme), we should just go ahead and fast-forward a best-case scenario for a poisoned well..... In a whimsical kind of way, we just need the greybeards to agree that TCP/IP did not get it right (the 1st time) and go back to the drawing/drafting board to innovate a more robust offering of encapsulation. Bullies winning all of the special Olympic trophies has never been particularly entertaining, but I guess their persistence is something to be admired. Maybe they are special?!?!?!

skyzyx 7y ago

The liar is lying.

anm89 7y ago

ANY time I see figures about how much money or economic activity some piece of legislation generated, I value it at precisely zero. There are no accounting standards for it, it's never audited, it's just people throwing out a narrative. This one demonstrates this point as clearly as ever.