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There's a question I've proposed to some of my friends, which I will also propose here: Do you think that we will see Chinese style quarantining in the US? If

by blhack 7y ago

There's a question I've proposed to some of my friends, which I will also propose here: Do you think that we will see Chinese style quarantining in the US? If not: why not? What do you think is different about the US that would allow us to attack this disease differently?

animalnewbie 7y ago
Quarantining isn't a magic wand. It needs a lot of manpower who is also dedicated. The enforcers in China are communist party members. China can build a 1000bed hospital in 10 days. In America that's the time needed for PowerPoint slides during meetings and money-funneling off it.
- blhack 7y ago
  So are you saying we won't do these quarantines simply because we can't?
  - PeterisP 7y ago
    Not the parent poster; but yeah, that and also because of the expected resistance (possibly violent) by the population; it seems that the Chinese have mostly been compliant with the quarantines and it seems that Americans will not be as compliant, so any quarantine attempts will be less effective, bring less benefit.
    - animalnewbie 7y ago
      There are two sources of violence, at the risk of sounding politically incorrect. One would be whites in rural areas which wouldn't need quarantine. The other would be blacks in urban areas which sure would need quarantine. I know this may sound alarmist but do prepare for rioting if you're in an urban area.
      - AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
        There will likely be some resistance, but I don't agree that it will just be urban areas or that it has anything to do with race.
      - AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
        Also, that's not "politically incorrect", that's just racist.
      - PeterisP 7y ago
        If we're looking at the recent Covid-19 detections, they are in (for example) Seattle and Manhattan, so these particular urban areas are likely among the first to need quarantine, and they aren't predominantly black. Only a very small fraction of the population live in truly rural areas, but they would also be affected by quarantine restrictions on long-distance travel, and have a large proportion of "true individualists" who might be motivated to intentionally sabotage (for example) such checkpoints as a matter of principle. Also, suburbs would definitely need quarantine, although it's easier in literal gated communities. However, I think that you may have a point regarding the sensitivity of the racial relationships. If some government actions start harmfully affecting predominantly groups of one race (and it will be different groups in different places), then given the historically strained relationships in USA, it's likely that some of these groups will perceive the government as their enemy and try to resist any measures even if they're actually helpful for the health of their community.
- AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
  You seem very bitter towards Americans, and black people. I hope you figure out how to be a bit happier and less biased. Maybe less Russian troll too, that would be nice.
  - animalnewbie 7y ago
    Everyone I don't like is a Russian troll. Putin ate my homework.
curo 7y ago
This is terribly uninformed but I imagine they'll shift from containment to mitigation soon (before it hits the US in a bit way), so quarantining won't be the prevalent strategy.

by blhack 7y ago

animalnewbie 7y ago

Quarantining isn't a magic wand. It needs a lot of manpower who is also dedicated. The enforcers in China are communist party members. China can build a 1000bed hospital in 10 days. In America that's the time needed for PowerPoint slides during meetings and money-funneling off it.

blhack 7y ago
So are you saying we won't do these quarantines simply because we can't?
- PeterisP 7y ago
  Not the parent poster; but yeah, that and also because of the expected resistance (possibly violent) by the population; it seems that the Chinese have mostly been compliant with the quarantines and it seems that Americans will not be as compliant, so any quarantine attempts will be less effective, bring less benefit.
  - animalnewbie 7y ago
    There are two sources of violence, at the risk of sounding politically incorrect. One would be whites in rural areas which wouldn't need quarantine. The other would be blacks in urban areas which sure would need quarantine. I know this may sound alarmist but do prepare for rioting if you're in an urban area.
    - AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
      There will likely be some resistance, but I don't agree that it will just be urban areas or that it has anything to do with race.
    - AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
      Also, that's not "politically incorrect", that's just racist.
    - PeterisP 7y ago
      If we're looking at the recent Covid-19 detections, they are in (for example) Seattle and Manhattan, so these particular urban areas are likely among the first to need quarantine, and they aren't predominantly black. Only a very small fraction of the population live in truly rural areas, but they would also be affected by quarantine restrictions on long-distance travel, and have a large proportion of "true individualists" who might be motivated to intentionally sabotage (for example) such checkpoints as a matter of principle. Also, suburbs would definitely need quarantine, although it's easier in literal gated communities. However, I think that you may have a point regarding the sensitivity of the racial relationships. If some government actions start harmfully affecting predominantly groups of one race (and it will be different groups in different places), then given the historically strained relationships in USA, it's likely that some of these groups will perceive the government as their enemy and try to resist any measures even if they're actually helpful for the health of their community.
AtHeartEngineer 7y ago
You seem very bitter towards Americans, and black people. I hope you figure out how to be a bit happier and less biased. Maybe less Russian troll too, that would be nice.
- animalnewbie 7y ago
  Everyone I don't like is a Russian troll. Putin ate my homework.

curo 7y ago

This is terribly uninformed but I imagine they'll shift from containment to mitigation soon (before it hits the US in a bit way), so quarantining won't be the prevalent strategy.