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We need laws that prevent this stuff. If you avoid all companies that have connections with China then not many will be left to choose from. From a company’s p
by Ididntdothis 7y ago
We need laws that prevent this stuff. If you avoid all companies that have connections with China then not many will be left to choose from. From a company’s point of view it’s also difficult to compete with others who deal with China.
It’s similar to environmental rules. A single company can’t do much as long as it’s possible for others to keep polluting and be cheaper that way.
One of government’s tasks is to level the playing field so everybody can compete while following the same rules. Same thing for workplace safety, child labor and a ton of other things. We need rules for acceptable standards
- aptidude187 7y agoYou have a very nuanced and insightful perspective, thank you for educating and sharing!
- 411111111111111 7y agoi sure hope thats sarcasm. he just threw out random thoughts with no actual way to achieve anything. laws cant actually to force multinational companies to do anything. how would they be enforced after all? you'd first need a world government for any laws to apply. and no chance of that happening within the foreseeable future.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoYou can force multinational corporations to do things by not allowing them into your own market if they don’t follow certain rules. The US does it all the time, so does Europe.
- 411111111111111 7y ago> The US does it all the time, so does Europe. Please give me an example of a corporation getting serious issues from any government for actions they took on foreign soil.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoCompanies have got into trouble for violating sanctions. There are plenty of examples for that.
- camgunz 7y agoGDPR is a huge one every user of this site should know.
- 411111111111111 7y agoGDPR is a law, not a corporation and is a recent attempt at enforcing something, and spectacularly failed at that. Almost all eu-foreign enterprises ignore it entirely or don't actually adhere to it, even after showing a big pop-up claiming they do. And the multinational corporations just started to hide their tracking better. For an obvious example: chrome includes a 24 bit unique identifier per installation to track you and instead of saving your PII they just build a nrr to "predict" them. Such a success, indeed.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoWhat’s your exact point? Are you trying to say that laws don’t work and nothing can be done so it shouldn’t be tried? I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
- runawaybottle 7y agoTurkey can’t enter the EU because it doesn’t meet the EU’s standard for human rights. Standards work.
- 411111111111111 7y agoTurkey isnt a multinational corporation in case you didn't notice. Nor did they change because of it, so your point makes no sense whatsoever
- pergadad 7y agoAnd yet there are at least some options of companies doing the right thing, or trying to do so. See Fairphone and Shiftphone for examples.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoTotally agree. But that comes at the expense of profit. Big public companies who claim they are there only to make money for shareholders won’t do that.
- asdff 7y agoWhich is sickening. We need some sort of heavy handed regulation that stipulates that labor up and down the supply chain of a given American company conforms to American labor protections. We also need this regulation to be backed by consequence which would directly harm the lives of those individuals who directly decide to eschew these regulations. I think we can stand to hold executives far more accountable for them deciding to commit human rights abuses via casual email or shareholder memo, some 3000 miles out of sight and out of mind from the crimes themselves. These sort of regulations would be very painful for the economy in the near term, but far less painful than continuing the status quo for those being abused.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago“These sort of regulations would be very painful for the economy in the near term, “ I am not even sure about that. Companies would adapt very quickly. That’s what they are good at.
- asdff 7y agoYou wouldn't think that if you listened to what these neocons have been preaching as scripture for the past 50 years...
- hutzlibu 7y agoWhat kind of law will help? A law that forbids trade with bad states? Shopping will be hard after that ...
- jacobush 7y agoExactly that law.
- hutzlibu 7y agoAlright, but you know, that quite some people would add the US to that list, too? You know, private operated prisons, starting wars, torturing, kidnapping, dronestriking around the world called "extrajucidal killing" etc. etc. etc. This world is not a simple one, so I doubt simple laws can change basic flaws.
- ryukafalz 7y ago> Alright, but you know, that quite some people would add the US to that list, too? > You know, private operated prisons, starting wars, torturing, kidnapping, dronestriking around the world called "extrajucidal killing" etc. etc. etc. Sure, and you know what? If that were ever the justification for trade restrictions with the US, it’d be well deserved. I’d prefer if we as a country took the moral high ground, but in the absence of that, some pressure from outside could be a good thing.
- hutzlibu 7y agoHm. But pressure from whom? Russia, india, brasil, pakistan? Probably not ... The EU? Well, we have for example this glorious law that mainly because of the holocaust, we don't kick people out who come asking for help and have no other safe place to go. But since we don't actually want them, we pay and support other dictators and warlords to keep them away from us, so they cannot ask for help in the first place and we punish people who rescue those wrong people from drowning, when they dare to take them to a safe place where they ask for help. So who is left? Switzerland? Maybe, but they for example had never a problem with taking all the dirty money and doing buusness with anyone, as long as its money. This world is not black and white, but yeah, there surely are places which are a lot darker and if we believe to be in a lighter place, we can't feel superior if our wealth is based on those very dark places.