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I think the risk of Flutter getting cancelled is very remote. Google knows they have a winner on their hands. Flutter is the UI framework for Fuschia. It is pi

I think the risk of Flutter getting cancelled is very remote. Google knows they have a winner on their hands. Flutter is the UI framework for Fuschia. It is picking up huge momentum [1]. The support for native apps and web[2] is still immature, but promising. Flutter brings the joy back into UI development. No messing with CSS, tables, etc. - "everything is a widget" makes for a very composable framework that is super fun to use. [1] https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-20/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-2... [2] https://flutter.dev/web https://flutter.dev/web

mkl 7y ago
I don't see any reason Google wouldn't cancel Fuchsia at a moment's notice. It's been consuming their resources for years and is far from launching in a product, and Google happily cancels even established well-used products.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  I don’t know why people tried to hide your post. Yes, it’s entirely plausible that Fuchsia is killed in favor of Android evolution not revolution. Plausible, but i wouldn’t put odds on anything. LUCKILY, for me because i really like Flutter, I think it hits critical mass soon and wouldn’t matter if Google killed Fuchsia.
  - rvz 7y ago
    You both say this but the interesting thing is that Fuchsia support is creeping up in more essential low level software like LLVM, Rust, WebKit and the devs actually have Chrome already running on the platform for years. Dart/Flutter is used throughout the OS and used in many apps today. From day 0 on launch, you can expect Fuchsia to run your Dart apps and to run existing Android apps via a tool called Machina (Zircon hypervisor running Linux kernel). If Fuchsia benefits from the Flutter apps being made and gives Google more complete control over the OS unlike Android, then it looks highly unlikely that it will be killed. In reality as Fuchsia is being ’dog-fooded’ on Google devices it is increasingly likely that Android will be killed.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      The fact that ChromeOS had to gain Android support speaks loudly about what might win in the end. If Fuchsia ever gets released, I bet ART will replace Flutter. It is already being ported to run on Fuchsia anyway.
      - LordDragonfang 7y ago
        ART isn't a UI framework, it can't "replace" Flutter. You can run Flutter apps in ART, the article even talks about doing so.
        pjmlp 7y ago
        Indeed it the basis of the Android stack, so it plugs naturally with everything written in Java and Kotlin for Android. Flutter has zero relationship with ART, it just plugs into Android via the NDK, like anyone else using C++ code.
- IshKebab 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure they either use it on the Nest Hub or are close to it.
blahblahblogger 7y ago
Fuschia seems like the type of project that's begging to be canceled.
- antfarm 7y ago
  FuCHSia
summerlight 7y ago
One more thing: the entire Google Ads Frontend has been re-written in Dart. This was a very significant, multi-year investment which usually happens at most once in a decade. And... this particular product gives paychecks to everyone else, of course including the Dart team (and core infra team as well).
hota_mazi 7y ago
Dart is picking "huge momentum" and to prove that claim, you link a graph that shows it at rank... I don't know, about 30 or so, which probably amounts to 0.01% mind share. Where's that "huge" momentum?
nl 7y ago
This is the opposite of huge momentum.

mkl 7y ago

I don't see any reason Google wouldn't cancel Fuchsia at a moment's notice. It's been consuming their resources for years and is far from launching in a product, and Google happily cancels even established well-used products.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
I don’t know why people tried to hide your post. Yes, it’s entirely plausible that Fuchsia is killed in favor of Android evolution not revolution. Plausible, but i wouldn’t put odds on anything. LUCKILY, for me because i really like Flutter, I think it hits critical mass soon and wouldn’t matter if Google killed Fuchsia.
- rvz 7y ago
  You both say this but the interesting thing is that Fuchsia support is creeping up in more essential low level software like LLVM, Rust, WebKit and the devs actually have Chrome already running on the platform for years. Dart/Flutter is used throughout the OS and used in many apps today. From day 0 on launch, you can expect Fuchsia to run your Dart apps and to run existing Android apps via a tool called Machina (Zircon hypervisor running Linux kernel). If Fuchsia benefits from the Flutter apps being made and gives Google more complete control over the OS unlike Android, then it looks highly unlikely that it will be killed. In reality as Fuchsia is being ’dog-fooded’ on Google devices it is increasingly likely that Android will be killed.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    The fact that ChromeOS had to gain Android support speaks loudly about what might win in the end. If Fuchsia ever gets released, I bet ART will replace Flutter. It is already being ported to run on Fuchsia anyway.
    - LordDragonfang 7y ago
      ART isn't a UI framework, it can't "replace" Flutter. You can run Flutter apps in ART, the article even talks about doing so.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        Indeed it the basis of the Android stack, so it plugs naturally with everything written in Java and Kotlin for Android. Flutter has zero relationship with ART, it just plugs into Android via the NDK, like anyone else using C++ code.
IshKebab 7y ago
I'm pretty sure they either use it on the Nest Hub or are close to it.

blahblahblogger 7y ago

Fuschia seems like the type of project that's begging to be canceled.

antfarm 7y ago
FuCHSia

summerlight 7y ago

One more thing: the entire Google Ads Frontend has been re-written in Dart. This was a very significant, multi-year investment which usually happens at most once in a decade. And... this particular product gives paychecks to everyone else, of course including the Dart team (and core infra team as well).

hota_mazi 7y ago

Dart is picking "huge momentum" and to prove that claim, you link a graph that shows it at rank... I don't know, about 30 or so, which probably amounts to 0.01% mind share. Where's that "huge" momentum?

nl 7y ago

This is the opposite of huge momentum.