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You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.

by 12xo 7y ago

asdkjh345 7y ago
First of all, no you can not. Go try to kick a black person out of your business for being black and let me know how that goes. Second, what does your statement have to do with the discussion? I said balance isn't a false paradigm, how is "it is legal to be biased" a response to that?
- 12xo 7y ago
  Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. And yes, you can choose to serve anyone individual, you cannot globally discriminate. Get the difference?
  - asdkjh345 7y ago
    >Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. You made an objective claim, I provided an example that demonstrates it is false.
    - 12xo 7y ago
      You dont seem to understand the difference between discrimination and a difference of views. Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class...
      - detaro 7y ago
        You claimed "any reason", not "for political opinions". They pointed out the difference you claim they are not recognizing exists.
      - asdkjh345 7y ago
        You said "for any reason". That is incorrect, and I gave you an example to demonstrate this fact.
        12xo 7y ago
        You can toss anyone for any reason. However, like many things, there are legal consequences. And if you do it based on discrimination you will certainly face charges, but you still have the right to remove people from your property at any moment. for ex: If you show up in my bar. Talk crap act like a jerk,etc. You're out. Social media is no different. You are not owed access to anything.
        asdkjh345 7y ago
        Multiple people have made every attempt at having a discussion with you, and yet you continue to ignore this and keep repeating the same red herring. Nothing in your post has any relevance to the discussion, and your statement was false, as I showed you.
        heartbeats 7y ago
        What if all companies were to do this? What if all landlords within a ten mile radius were to tell you to piss off if you asked to rent, and all banks denied you a mortgage? Do you think this would be a good outcome?
      - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
        > "Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class..." Actually, political affiliation and participants in political activity are protected classes in a couple of states, including California, where many HN readers reside. "There are only three jurisdictions in the United States that explicitly bans political affiliation and activity discrimination, California, D.C., and New York. New York does not cover political affiliation discrimination, only political activity discrimination. Federal law discrimination law does not cover political affiliation or political activity. However, many states prohibit employers from influencing the votes of their employees." Source https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-affiliation-discrimination.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-aff... I tip my hat to California for still remembering what old-school liberalism means.
        12xo 7y ago
        Might be a lawsuit, if there is a pattern. But the statue wont stop anyone from choosing who they allow on their premises nor change their rights.
heartbeats 7y ago
Should my grocery store be allowed to kick me out because they don't like my political views? Should all grocery stores in the country be allowed to do this? If so, how do I eat?
- 12xo 7y ago
  How would they know? What are you saying or doing that would cause others to shun you? If behavior is your problem, its not your views that matter, its your behavior. Being an asshole is not a protected class...
  - heartbeats 7y ago
    If you are featured in the media for being a member of a political party or union, for example, people could recognize you. The cashier could be given directions by the management not to serve Mr. So-and-so from the TV. They could just look at the credit card number, and observe that 7305 matches a blacklist. They could use facial recognition in the checkout to check against a database and deny you service that way. And so on, and so forth. There is no need to be hated by ordinary folks, just that the upper management/media doesn't like you. What is the solution to this? Never adopting any objectionable views?

You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.

by 12xo 7y ago

You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.

First of all, no you can not. Go try to kick a black person out of your business for being black and let me know how that goes. Second, what does your statement have to do with the discussion? I said balance isn't a false paradigm, how is "it is legal to be biased" a response to that?

12xo 7y ago
Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. And yes, you can choose to serve anyone individual, you cannot globally discriminate. Get the difference?
- asdkjh345 7y ago
  >Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. You made an objective claim, I provided an example that demonstrates it is false.
  - 12xo 7y ago
    You dont seem to understand the difference between discrimination and a difference of views. Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class...
    - detaro 7y ago
      You claimed "any reason", not "for political opinions". They pointed out the difference you claim they are not recognizing exists.
    - asdkjh345 7y ago
      You said "for any reason". That is incorrect, and I gave you an example to demonstrate this fact.
      - 12xo 7y ago
        You can toss anyone for any reason. However, like many things, there are legal consequences. And if you do it based on discrimination you will certainly face charges, but you still have the right to remove people from your property at any moment. for ex: If you show up in my bar. Talk crap act like a jerk,etc. You're out. Social media is no different. You are not owed access to anything.
        asdkjh345 7y ago
        Multiple people have made every attempt at having a discussion with you, and yet you continue to ignore this and keep repeating the same red herring. Nothing in your post has any relevance to the discussion, and your statement was false, as I showed you.
        heartbeats 7y ago
        What if all companies were to do this? What if all landlords within a ten mile radius were to tell you to piss off if you asked to rent, and all banks denied you a mortgage? Do you think this would be a good outcome?
    - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
      > "Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class..." Actually, political affiliation and participants in political activity are protected classes in a couple of states, including California, where many HN readers reside. "There are only three jurisdictions in the United States that explicitly bans political affiliation and activity discrimination, California, D.C., and New York. New York does not cover political affiliation discrimination, only political activity discrimination. Federal law discrimination law does not cover political affiliation or political activity. However, many states prohibit employers from influencing the votes of their employees." Source https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-affiliation-discrimination.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-aff... I tip my hat to California for still remembering what old-school liberalism means.
      - 12xo 7y ago
        Might be a lawsuit, if there is a pattern. But the statue wont stop anyone from choosing who they allow on their premises nor change their rights.

heartbeats 7y ago

Should my grocery store be allowed to kick me out because they don't like my political views? Should all grocery stores in the country be allowed to do this? If so, how do I eat?

12xo 7y ago
How would they know? What are you saying or doing that would cause others to shun you? If behavior is your problem, its not your views that matter, its your behavior. Being an asshole is not a protected class...
- heartbeats 7y ago
  If you are featured in the media for being a member of a political party or union, for example, people could recognize you. The cashier could be given directions by the management not to serve Mr. So-and-so from the TV. They could just look at the credit card number, and observe that 7305 matches a blacklist. They could use facial recognition in the checkout to check against a database and deny you service that way. And so on, and so forth. There is no need to be hated by ordinary folks, just that the upper management/media doesn't like you. What is the solution to this? Never adopting any objectionable views?