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When you get banned for simply posting facts that one group dislikes, while "KILL ALL WHITE MEN" is totally fine and acceptable, there's definitely a balance pr

When you get banned for simply posting facts that one group dislikes, while "KILL ALL WHITE MEN" is totally fine and acceptable, there's definitely a balance problem. The idea that one socio-political viewpoint is objectively correct, and another is the same as believing the earth is flat is not a reasonable analogy.

12xo 7y ago
You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.
- asdkjh345 7y ago
  First of all, no you can not. Go try to kick a black person out of your business for being black and let me know how that goes. Second, what does your statement have to do with the discussion? I said balance isn't a false paradigm, how is "it is legal to be biased" a response to that?
  - 12xo 7y ago
    Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. And yes, you can choose to serve anyone individual, you cannot globally discriminate. Get the difference?
    - asdkjh345 7y ago
      >Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. You made an objective claim, I provided an example that demonstrates it is false.
      - 12xo 7y ago
        You dont seem to understand the difference between discrimination and a difference of views. Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class...
        detaro 7y ago
        You claimed "any reason", not "for political opinions". They pointed out the difference you claim they are not recognizing exists.
        asdkjh345 7y ago
        You said "for any reason". That is incorrect, and I gave you an example to demonstrate this fact.
        12xo 7y ago
        You can toss anyone for any reason. However, like many things, there are legal consequences. And if you do it based on discrimination you will certainly face charges, but you still have the right to remove people from your property at any moment. for ex: If you show up in my bar. Talk crap act like a jerk,etc. You're out. Social media is no different. You are not owed access to anything.
        asdkjh345 7y ago
        Multiple people have made every attempt at having a discussion with you, and yet you continue to ignore this and keep repeating the same red herring. Nothing in your post has any relevance to the discussion, and your statement was false, as I showed you.
        heartbeats 7y ago
        What if all companies were to do this? What if all landlords within a ten mile radius were to tell you to piss off if you asked to rent, and all banks denied you a mortgage? Do you think this would be a good outcome?
        ThrowawayR2 7y ago
- heartbeats 7y ago
  Should my grocery store be allowed to kick me out because they don't like my political views? Should all grocery stores in the country be allowed to do this? If so, how do I eat?
  - 12xo 7y ago
    How would they know? What are you saying or doing that would cause others to shun you? If behavior is your problem, its not your views that matter, its your behavior. Being an asshole is not a protected class...
    - heartbeats 7y ago
      If you are featured in the media for being a member of a political party or union, for example, people could recognize you. The cashier could be given directions by the management not to serve Mr. So-and-so from the TV. They could just look at the credit card number, and observe that 7305 matches a blacklist. They could use facial recognition in the checkout to check against a database and deny you service that way. And so on, and so forth. There is no need to be hated by ordinary folks, just that the upper management/media doesn't like you. What is the solution to this? Never adopting any objectionable views?
fzeroracer 7y ago
I'm curious. Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well? I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right.
- asdkjh345 7y ago
  >Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well? As well? I don't complain about them at all. Pointing out that it exists when people deny it is not complaining. >I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right. Well I see two obvious differences that could cause that. The first simply being size. Facebook, google, twitter, reddit, etc are all, as organizations, far-left. And they all use their platforms to silence things they disapprove of, and push their politics. Whatever sites do the same from a far-right perspective are tiny. So, obviously there would be far more complaining from the far larger group of people who use the biggest sites on the web. Second, all the supposed "far right" websites I see mentioned don't appear to be far right at all, and don't appear to do much or any moderating. They are "far right" because people with left wing views choose not to participate, not because they get banned. There's a big difference between being removed from a platform for having an unapproved view, vs being allowed to post your unapproved view and then people tell you it is wrong.
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no_wizard 7y ago
Source? Also, I remember when Twitter was getting really big one of their prominent founders (May have been jack but I can’t remember) did an interview in which they positioned themselves that social media platforms should use “constitutional logic” (for those not in the states, that’s the USA constitution) when regulating speech in their platform l, which, for better or worse, depending on context and things, “kill all white men” would pass the fee speech test. Interestingly enough I actually can’t find anything that supports the example you’re referring to here. On the other hand I’ve seen tons and tons of sexist, misogynistic, white supremacist tweets that are super prominent on the platform.
- asdkjh345 7y ago
  >Source? Of what? >they positioned themselves that social media platforms should use “constitutional logic” when regulating speech in their platform l, I don't know if that was said, but it certainly is not the case with current twitter. >which, for better or worse, depending on context and things, “kill all white men” would pass the fee speech test. In which case "KILL ALL BLACK MEN" would pass too. One is allowed, the other is not. >On the other hand I’ve seen tons and tons of sexist, misogynistic, white supremacist tweets that are super prominent on the platform. I hear that often, but I never see any support for it. When pressed on it, what I get as "proof" is completely mundane posts that only extreme leftists would classify as any of those things.
- taramosalata 7y ago
  Perhaps the OP is thinking of Sarah Jeong Twitter activity, of #CancelWhitePeople and NYTimes fame. With pearls as: > Dumbass fucking white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants. > Are white people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins. > oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men. > #CancelWhitePeople > white men are bullshit etc... https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor/status/1025081955400994816 https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor/status/1025081955400994816

12xo 7y ago

You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.

asdkjh345 7y ago
First of all, no you can not. Go try to kick a black person out of your business for being black and let me know how that goes. Second, what does your statement have to do with the discussion? I said balance isn't a false paradigm, how is "it is legal to be biased" a response to that?
- 12xo 7y ago
  Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. And yes, you can choose to serve anyone individual, you cannot globally discriminate. Get the difference?
  - asdkjh345 7y ago
    >Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. You made an objective claim, I provided an example that demonstrates it is false.
    - 12xo 7y ago
      You dont seem to understand the difference between discrimination and a difference of views. Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class...
      - detaro 7y ago
        You claimed "any reason", not "for political opinions". They pointed out the difference you claim they are not recognizing exists.
      - asdkjh345 7y ago
        You said "for any reason". That is incorrect, and I gave you an example to demonstrate this fact.
        12xo 7y ago
        You can toss anyone for any reason. However, like many things, there are legal consequences. And if you do it based on discrimination you will certainly face charges, but you still have the right to remove people from your property at any moment. for ex: If you show up in my bar. Talk crap act like a jerk,etc. You're out. Social media is no different. You are not owed access to anything.
        asdkjh345 7y ago
        Multiple people have made every attempt at having a discussion with you, and yet you continue to ignore this and keep repeating the same red herring. Nothing in your post has any relevance to the discussion, and your statement was false, as I showed you.
        heartbeats 7y ago
        What if all companies were to do this? What if all landlords within a ten mile radius were to tell you to piss off if you asked to rent, and all banks denied you a mortgage? Do you think this would be a good outcome?
      - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
heartbeats 7y ago
Should my grocery store be allowed to kick me out because they don't like my political views? Should all grocery stores in the country be allowed to do this? If so, how do I eat?
- 12xo 7y ago
  How would they know? What are you saying or doing that would cause others to shun you? If behavior is your problem, its not your views that matter, its your behavior. Being an asshole is not a protected class...
  - heartbeats 7y ago
    If you are featured in the media for being a member of a political party or union, for example, people could recognize you. The cashier could be given directions by the management not to serve Mr. So-and-so from the TV. They could just look at the credit card number, and observe that 7305 matches a blacklist. They could use facial recognition in the checkout to check against a database and deny you service that way. And so on, and so forth. There is no need to be hated by ordinary folks, just that the upper management/media doesn't like you. What is the solution to this? Never adopting any objectionable views?

fzeroracer 7y ago

I'm curious. Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well? I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right.

asdkjh345 7y ago
>Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well? As well? I don't complain about them at all. Pointing out that it exists when people deny it is not complaining. >I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right. Well I see two obvious differences that could cause that. The first simply being size. Facebook, google, twitter, reddit, etc are all, as organizations, far-left. And they all use their platforms to silence things they disapprove of, and push their politics. Whatever sites do the same from a far-right perspective are tiny. So, obviously there would be far more complaining from the far larger group of people who use the biggest sites on the web. Second, all the supposed "far right" websites I see mentioned don't appear to be far right at all, and don't appear to do much or any moderating. They are "far right" because people with left wing views choose not to participate, not because they get banned. There's a big difference between being removed from a platform for having an unapproved view, vs being allowed to post your unapproved view and then people tell you it is wrong.
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no_wizard 7y ago

Source? Also, I remember when Twitter was getting really big one of their prominent founders (May have been jack but I can’t remember) did an interview in which they positioned themselves that social media platforms should use “constitutional logic” (for those not in the states, that’s the USA constitution) when regulating speech in their platform l, which, for better or worse, depending on context and things, “kill all white men” would pass the fee speech test. Interestingly enough I actually can’t find anything that supports the example you’re referring to here. On the other hand I’ve seen tons and tons of sexist, misogynistic, white supremacist tweets that are super prominent on the platform.

asdkjh345 7y ago
>Source? Of what? >they positioned themselves that social media platforms should use “constitutional logic” when regulating speech in their platform l, I don't know if that was said, but it certainly is not the case with current twitter. >which, for better or worse, depending on context and things, “kill all white men” would pass the fee speech test. In which case "KILL ALL BLACK MEN" would pass too. One is allowed, the other is not. >On the other hand I’ve seen tons and tons of sexist, misogynistic, white supremacist tweets that are super prominent on the platform. I hear that often, but I never see any support for it. When pressed on it, what I get as "proof" is completely mundane posts that only extreme leftists would classify as any of those things.
taramosalata 7y ago
Perhaps the OP is thinking of Sarah Jeong Twitter activity, of #CancelWhitePeople and NYTimes fame. With pearls as: > Dumbass fucking white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants. > Are white people genetically disposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins. > oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men. > #CancelWhitePeople > white men are bullshit etc... https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor/status/1025081955400994816 https://twitter.com/LarryOConnor/status/1025081955400994816