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Caveat: some of the "untraceable" cases are kind of "semi-traceable" in practice. The American government (against the advice of its own CDC) flew back American

Caveat: some of the "untraceable" cases are kind of "semi-traceable" in practice. The American government (against the advice of its own CDC) flew back American patients who had been on the Japanese cruise ship, infected and uninfected alike, and sent in HHS employees to interact with them, with inadequate training and hazard protections (i.e., no bunny suits). This heightened infection risk for the uninfected cruise ship patients and the HHS employees, as well as anybody who knew them. This plane landed at Travis Air Force Base in Solano County, California. Which is where the first "untraceable" case in the United States occurred.

animalnewbie 7y ago
I keep hearing about this- is there a source for this? Or drumf is inolved so must be true?
makomk 7y ago
You're mixing up two different evacuations. The whistleblower complaint about HHS employees with inadequate training processing evacuees was about the Wuhan evacuation, not the Diamond Princess one. Only about three of the Wuhan evacuees ever ended up testing positive for the virus, there's no reason to believe they were even infectious when flown back and none of the staff involved have shown signs of COVID-19. It's certainly possible that one of the people involved in the quarantine didn't follow precautions and was infected, even with full training, but I don't think there's any evidence tying the California case to it.
- tessierashpool 7y ago
  OK — I did conflate Wuhan and Diamond Princess, so thanks for correcting me there, but according to both Time and the Washington Post, HHS employees were sent (without proper training or protection) to meet with evacuees in each case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-... https://time.com/5792135/coronavirus-whistleblower-hhs-employees/ https://time.com/5792135/coronavirus-whistleblower-hhs-emplo...

animalnewbie 7y ago

I keep hearing about this- is there a source for this? Or drumf is inolved so must be true?

makomk 7y ago

You're mixing up two different evacuations. The whistleblower complaint about HHS employees with inadequate training processing evacuees was about the Wuhan evacuation, not the Diamond Princess one. Only about three of the Wuhan evacuees ever ended up testing positive for the virus, there's no reason to believe they were even infectious when flown back and none of the staff involved have shown signs of COVID-19. It's certainly possible that one of the people involved in the quarantine didn't follow precautions and was infected, even with full training, but I don't think there's any evidence tying the California case to it.

tessierashpool 7y ago
OK — I did conflate Wuhan and Diamond Princess, so thanks for correcting me there, but according to both Time and the Washington Post, HHS employees were sent (without proper training or protection) to meet with evacuees in each case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-without-protective-gear-assisted-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/27/us-workers-... https://time.com/5792135/coronavirus-whistleblower-hhs-employees/ https://time.com/5792135/coronavirus-whistleblower-hhs-emplo...