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Not shocking at all. It's a lack of leadership which shouldn't be surprising given that most corporate executives don't really know how to act in situations ou

Not shocking at all. It's a lack of leadership which shouldn't be surprising given that most corporate executives don't really know how to act in situations outside of their realm of experience.

dmix 7y ago
Even the CDC and WHO seem to be a bit out-of-sorts on handling this thing. Google's Zurich office isn't the only one. The top-down restrictions of who is allowed to get tested have been quite limited, so there's easily tons of people infected who we don't know about, many of them asymptomatic - yet who could still be transferring the virus to vulnerable/less healthy people [1]. Access to testing kits is going to be another constraint going forward if this thing continues spreading and testing criteria does indeed expand (which no doubt are probably correlated). I have a feeling once the CDC and WHO expand the criteria for who gets tested there is going to be a significant spike in the number of people who we know have it. There's going to be a lot of post-de facto reviews and lessons learned from this experience in the coming future, no doubt. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asympt...
- komali2 7y ago
  The response difference between the people I interact with regularly (friends, coworkers, HN people, twitter people) and I guess "the rest of the world" is crazy. I just watched a video on Fox News where they interviewed this dude with his kid on his lap talking about his experience in coronavirus quarantine now that he's released. He couldn't stop coughing throughout the interview, was sharing water with his kid... madness.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    That was a very scary video. I was physically cringing all throughout watching it and when he drank from the same bottle vocalizing 'no!'. Very depressing.
    - joering2 7y ago
      Hey man, its Joe again. You didn't let me finish when you cowardly hung up on me, so I finish here what I was about to say: I think you are a sore loser, a keyboard warrior and a pathetic coward. I am so sure of it, that I can bet you a $100,000. We can go to Vegas and sign a binding legal contract, because instead of typing it in a comment, I would really love for you to tell me "fuck of" in my face, in person. I'm so nice that I will even fly to Netherlands or wherever you are, if that's easier for you, because I'm dying to hear you trying to say it in my face. Deal?? My email is in my profile. I will await your response <thumb_up>
      - dang 7y ago
        Joe, please don't post like this, regardless of how provoked you feel. We have to ban users that post like this on HN, and I don't want to ban you. I'm going to put it down as going on tilt this time (it happens), but please don't do it again. Also, while I have you: can you please stop the inflammatory political comments? We don't want those either, and you've been doing it a lot lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
RobertoG 7y ago
I thought nobody knew how to act outside the real of experience, I mean, that's the all point of experience.
- buckminster 7y ago
  You can learn from other people's mistakes. Of course, you need the experience of learning about them, but that's more scalable than experiencing all the mistakes yourself.
sitkack 7y ago
> realm of experience Most can't even do that. Their paper experience is with tech and product, but the experience they actually got hired for is political maneuvering.
TuringNYC 7y ago
Sad, but I’ve seen this type of behavior before. It should really be built into the liability insurance covenants or companies will often not care. I was working at a high rise in Manhattan on 9/11, as a fresh new analyst. After the horrific incidents of the day, we were told to continue working. That continued for about 90 minutes until the company announced an evacuation. Next we were told to carry all our binders (full of analyst reports) home, so a group of us Brooklyn residents did the 7mile trek with backpacks full of binders plus a 2001-era laptop, one of us had a roller bag because there were so many binders.
- ci5er 7y ago
  This is shocking because, ... why? Because you didn't have appropriate computer network-wide off-site data back-ups to the contents of your binders?
  - xnyan 7y ago
    It’s shocking because even after terrorists murdered thousands of people by ramming a plane into a building ,corporate executives were asking people to stay at work in the surrounding buildings.
    - ryandrake 7y ago
      If they left work, the corporations might lose a little profit, and obviously that can’t be allowed. Won’t someone please consider the rich shareholders’ needs a little here?
    - ci5er 7y ago
      I was asking because of their 3rd paragraph, not their 2nd.
      - TuringNYC 7y ago
        Because when you are escaping/trekking across bridges and 10ish miles of road on foot in a suit and fancy shoes — you don’t really want to be encumbered carrying weight. Also remember this is 2001. We did not have VPN in our project office, though I know it existed. We had a modem dial in for remote access and none of our work was on network drives. HOme DSL/CableModem had only recently become popular amongst professionals. Regardless, I continue to remember the burden of carrying those gigantic binders as I ran across the 59th street bridge and through Queens and Brooklyn...all while wearing wingtip shoes. Awful.

Not shocking at all. It's a lack of leadership which shouldn't be surprising given that most corporate executives don't really know how to act in situations outside of their realm of experience.

dmix 7y ago

Even the CDC and WHO seem to be a bit out-of-sorts on handling this thing. Google's Zurich office isn't the only one. The top-down restrictions of who is allowed to get tested have been quite limited, so there's easily tons of people infected who we don't know about, many of them asymptomatic - yet who could still be transferring the virus to vulnerable/less healthy people [1]. Access to testing kits is going to be another constraint going forward if this thing continues spreading and testing criteria does indeed expand (which no doubt are probably correlated). I have a feeling once the CDC and WHO expand the criteria for who gets tested there is going to be a significant spike in the number of people who we know have it. There's going to be a lot of post-de facto reviews and lessons learned from this experience in the coming future, no doubt. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asympt...

komali2 7y ago
The response difference between the people I interact with regularly (friends, coworkers, HN people, twitter people) and I guess "the rest of the world" is crazy. I just watched a video on Fox News where they interviewed this dude with his kid on his lap talking about his experience in coronavirus quarantine now that he's released. He couldn't stop coughing throughout the interview, was sharing water with his kid... madness.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  That was a very scary video. I was physically cringing all throughout watching it and when he drank from the same bottle vocalizing 'no!'. Very depressing.
  - joering2 7y ago
    Hey man, its Joe again. You didn't let me finish when you cowardly hung up on me, so I finish here what I was about to say: I think you are a sore loser, a keyboard warrior and a pathetic coward. I am so sure of it, that I can bet you a $100,000. We can go to Vegas and sign a binding legal contract, because instead of typing it in a comment, I would really love for you to tell me "fuck of" in my face, in person. I'm so nice that I will even fly to Netherlands or wherever you are, if that's easier for you, because I'm dying to hear you trying to say it in my face. Deal?? My email is in my profile. I will await your response <thumb_up>
    - dang 7y ago
      Joe, please don't post like this, regardless of how provoked you feel. We have to ban users that post like this on HN, and I don't want to ban you. I'm going to put it down as going on tilt this time (it happens), but please don't do it again. Also, while I have you: can you please stop the inflammatory political comments? We don't want those either, and you've been doing it a lot lately. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

RobertoG 7y ago

I thought nobody knew how to act outside the real of experience, I mean, that's the all point of experience.

buckminster 7y ago
You can learn from other people's mistakes. Of course, you need the experience of learning about them, but that's more scalable than experiencing all the mistakes yourself.

sitkack 7y ago

> realm of experience Most can't even do that. Their paper experience is with tech and product, but the experience they actually got hired for is political maneuvering.

TuringNYC 7y ago

Sad, but I’ve seen this type of behavior before. It should really be built into the liability insurance covenants or companies will often not care. I was working at a high rise in Manhattan on 9/11, as a fresh new analyst. After the horrific incidents of the day, we were told to continue working. That continued for about 90 minutes until the company announced an evacuation. Next we were told to carry all our binders (full of analyst reports) home, so a group of us Brooklyn residents did the 7mile trek with backpacks full of binders plus a 2001-era laptop, one of us had a roller bag because there were so many binders.

ci5er 7y ago
This is shocking because, ... why? Because you didn't have appropriate computer network-wide off-site data back-ups to the contents of your binders?
- xnyan 7y ago
  It’s shocking because even after terrorists murdered thousands of people by ramming a plane into a building ,corporate executives were asking people to stay at work in the surrounding buildings.
  - ryandrake 7y ago
    If they left work, the corporations might lose a little profit, and obviously that can’t be allowed. Won’t someone please consider the rich shareholders’ needs a little here?
  - ci5er 7y ago
    I was asking because of their 3rd paragraph, not their 2nd.
    - TuringNYC 7y ago
      Because when you are escaping/trekking across bridges and 10ish miles of road on foot in a suit and fancy shoes — you don’t really want to be encumbered carrying weight. Also remember this is 2001. We did not have VPN in our project office, though I know it existed. We had a modem dial in for remote access and none of our work was on network drives. HOme DSL/CableModem had only recently become popular amongst professionals. Regardless, I continue to remember the burden of carrying those gigantic binders as I ran across the 59th street bridge and through Queens and Brooklyn...all while wearing wingtip shoes. Awful.