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iNaturalist is a social network of people helping each other learn about nature
- calibas 7y agoI love iNaturalist, I get to learn more about the local plants and animals, and contribute to scientific projects at the same time. Their AI works remarkably well at identification most of the time.
- andrewharvey 7y agoCan you say more about the AI identification? I use iNat frequently and have never seen it suggest or recommend an ID from my photos.
- sohkamyung 7y agoDid you click / tap in the suggest ID box (web / mobile app) and then wait? Suggestions usually pop-up. See these iNat Video Tutorials for examples [1] [1] https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/video+tutorials https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/video+tutorials
- andrewharvey 7y agoOh I see there is a completely different interface when uploading photos directly vs importing from Flickr. Since I import all photos from my Flickr to maintain the metadata link it must be using an older less flashy form. Didn't even know the one in the video existed until now.
- sohkamyung 7y agoYes, I usually upload my images directly into iNaturalist, so it usually suggests an ID for me when I put an ID on each observation. I found an iNat page on uploading observations from Flickr [1] which is probably what you used. It seems to say you can add an ID for each upload but it doesn't say if the AI will help you with the ID, like with the direct uploading to iNat. [1] https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/flickr_upload https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/flickr_upload
- joan_kode 7y agoiNat has a lot of unique content too - not just "in your backyard" type of stuff. Just a couple of days ago, a user posted a picture of what appears to be a new species of Spiny Orbweaver spiders: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/39210068 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/39210068
- pvaldes 7y agoGastheracantha cancriformis is not a rare species Or G. sauteri, that looks more probable.
- joan_kode 7y agoI'm not sure if you're implying this is not a new species (which would be possible, of course) - but it does not look like either of those you mentioned. Not to appeal to authority, but the two members who initially called out the uniqueness of that spider have collectively identified thousands of Gastheracantha observations specifically, and never previously claimed that any of those were new species so far as I'm aware.
- pvaldes 7y agoWe'll never know, and this is exactly the problem with this kind of web pages. This is pseudotaxonomy.
- eu 7y agoI really like their Seek app when finding myself in the woods or in a botanical garden.
- ravenstine 7y agoUses Rails and Node.js! It's nice to see an example of a great project that uses Boring Software™ in 2020.
- xipho 7y agoThat's a funny way of stating it's a great example of 2(?) people coding a sustainable service to hundreds of thousands of others.
- ravenstine 7y agoThe nature of HN creates an illusion that everyone is(or should be) using the cutting edge tool, framework, or paradigm du jour. Rails and Node.js are fairly old in tech years at this point, especially the former, yet iNaturalist is a demonstration that they are both very capable and worth using in 2020. I don't know how I got misinterpreted. There have been multiple articles posted here in the past referring to such things as "Boring Software". My comment was intended as a compliment in every way.
- dang 7y agoRelated from a couple months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870138 A bit from 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14831794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14831794
- olivierlacan 7y agoThanks for sharing this, I've been yearning for an app like this for months maybe even years. More impressive even is that iNaturalist is seemingly entirely open source: https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/developers https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/developers The backend is Rails (4.2), the iNaturalist iOS app is native, the Seek app is ReactNative. It's really neat stuff. Their 2019 Year in Review post is fascinating and impressive as well: https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/29540-year-in-review-2019 https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/29540-year-in-review-2019
- elsigh 7y ago"iNaturalist is a joint initiative of the California Academy of Sciences and the National Geographic Society." It makes me pretty happy that this is not a VC-backed startup.
- elandrum 7y agoWhen someone recommended it to me last summer, I was hesitant to be yet another content creator for yet another platform. Then I saw it was run by science foundations! Signed up immediately. It’s been fun in Colorado to learn plants that I see on hikes.
- ImaCake 7y agoThe data is uploaded to gbif[0]. Where you can download it for free! 0. https://www.gbif.org/dataset/50c9509d-22c7-4a22-a47d-8c48425ef4a7 https://www.gbif.org/dataset/50c9509d-22c7-4a22-a47d-8c48425...
- bananamerica 7y agoMore than 2000 observations in my Brazilian hometown[1]. Not bad! Kinda feels like a real-life Pokemon — without the capturing and slaving part. I haven't seen any monkeys and we have quite a few. I'll try adding some! [1] https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=20640 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=20640
- anonsivalley652 7y agoNote: I tried reading the article: Wired.com Sorry, something has gone wrong. Please try again soon. Speaking of learning about nature, Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't YT channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3CBOpT2-NRvoc2ecFMDCsA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3CBOpT2-NRvoc2ecFMDCsA It sounds like this app will be different and useful, which is good.
- rrix2 7y agothat youtube channel is really great!
- pbhjpbhj 7y agoYes, he is awesome, so engaging. I'm in the UK, I would really like a similar channel localised to the UK if anyone has suggestions?
- Nux 7y agoNo idea, also curious. If you like this kind of stuff you might be interested in https://candidegardening.com/GB/about https://candidegardening.com/GB/about if you haven't joined already. Should be quite uk centric.
- hotsauceror 7y agoI'm a huge fan of Seek. It's not perfect, sometimes it can be tricky to get just the right combination of zoom + lighting + angles to get a good match, but I've been impressed at what a good job it does. It's great to take on local hikes with kids.
- overcast 7y agoSweet, something useful and educational. The interface reminds me a lot of the now defunct foodspotting.
- chrisweekly 7y agoGiven "naturalist" is sometimes a moniker for a nudist, it's hard not to wonder about precisely what these people are helping each other learn. Edit: Doh! I was indeed thinking of "naturist". (Also, glad I don't care about the downvotes; intended mild joke, clearly whiffed on that too.)
- Pamar 7y agoFor plants only I also use Picture This app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/picturethis-plant-identifier/id1252497129 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/picturethis-plant-identifier/i...
- jkaljundi 7y agoThe one I love is Plantsnap: https://www.plantsnap.com/ https://www.plantsnap.com/
- tomrod 7y agoI have used this and love it!
- ImaCake 7y agoI can't recommend iNaturalist enough. You can learn about the world around you by uploading sightings of any plants and animals you see all while contributing to a rich dataset for scientific research. I regularly upload birds and occasionally other fauna from where I live and work.
- n8agrin 7y agoiNaturalist was the final product of my Master's degree thesis team. I haven't contributed to it since school, about 11 years, so I don't deserve any credit for its success. The folks who have kept it alive are personal heros - they sacrificed a lot and invested so much to build the community that exists today. It's probably the project I'm still the proudest to have contributed to. When we started, our goal was to encourage people to go outside and engage with the world around them. We dreamt that the data gathered by the community would be used in scientific research, but weren't confident it would ever reach enough of a critical mass. It has! More surprisingly, we had no idea how important iNat's image dataset would become for computer vision research. Again, so proud of the folks who have helped to make iNaturalist thrive and so glad it still exists in the world.
- sktrdie 7y agoEvidence that doing something great doesn’t need to be through startup-capital-based systems. One can build and study something that can be of great importance to humanity without its core values being tainted by money.
- nybsop 7y agoOne issue that I've noticed with their system is that usually when a person posts an image, they take a random guess at the ID, and then all their friends will dog-pile on agreeing with it. There are so many misidentifications on there and not enough experts to correct it.
- WilTimSon 7y agoCould it be remedied by getting more experts to join? In cases like that, the hivemind is stronger than accreditations. It might just be a good idea to have some kind of moderation that can overrule people. Although that also adds the risk of alienating people who're very adamant about their identifications.
- sohkamyung 7y agoI believe some of the 'random' guesses is actually the background AI system suggesting an identification. Depending on the organism, it mostly works until it doesn't. :-) For example, in my region (Singapore), it's suggestions for mammals, birds and butterflies is mostly correct at Genus, Order or Family level. I do agree that some identifications could be better and try to help by putting comments when I see something wrong (e.g., "this species is not native to the region"). But even putting in the wrong ID is better than not putting an ID and leaving a sighting as "Unknown". There is a huge pile of unknown identifications that nobody looks at because the experts usually filter by the organisms they know about. Here is an old (2016) article about the AI recognition system being used by iNaturalist [1]. [1] https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/computer_vision_demo https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/computer_vision_demo
- rexreed 7y agoIs this the new definition of social network these days? Back in the 80s or 90s these would have been affinity groups, forums, or even just a BBS if it was dialup centric.
- shock 7y agoI wish something like this existed for organisms you see under the microscope (fungi, bacteria, viruses).
- contingencies 7y agoI don't see any limitations... try uploading!
- pvaldes 7y agoThere are lots of limitations in fact with the idea of identifying a bacteria or a microbe with a microscope.
- contingencies 7y agoSure, same with images of anything though. There's always metadata. Some categories have extra properties, so you could handle this by documenting the stain in use, magnification, density count, spatial affinity, sample type, etc.
- pvaldes 7y agoI do something similar just for fun, since many years. In my experience lots of just will not care about taking the steps necessary or provide the extra info, they just want easy answers from the blurriest phone photo available. Taxonomy is not simple. Not even for trained people. Doing this with bacteria and virus opens the door to a world of legal problems and medicine trouble. I would advice against.
- contingencies 7y agoTrue, you could disable the ML identification bit. But the value of a browseable taxonomy with social identification features remains.
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- l33t_d0nut 7y agoiNaturalist is a ton of fun!
- pryelluw 7y agoToday marks the last day I'll be the (paid) maintainer for a similar project called Fieldscope. Fieldscope is a similar project that came out of NatGeo. It is currently operated by BSCS. Fieldscope is now very old and is being rebuilt with modern tech. I did not write the app itself, but kept it alive for 2 years. Working on it opened up my eyes to all the wonderful world of citizen science. Specially how many (really many) scientific datasets are available for open use. One of the datasets I enjoyed working with is one that centers around the Chesapeake Bay project. It contains flora observations taken by citizen volunteers. It's very interesting to learn about the history of the Chesapeake Bay and to be able to map how it has changed over time. I exhort those intersted in open source and science to look into tackling problems in this space. Observing and recording nature is not a solved problem. Better software will certainly help get there. I'm on the process of doing so myself. Makes no sense to waste all this experience without benefit open source and science. If you are part of a scientific project please reach out to me. Email in profile.
- kcindric 7y agoI'm a developer with a masters degree in biology. I would love to contribute to iNaturalist but Rails seems cumbersome from my POV, but in the end I think I'll try. Any other open source projects looking for help?
- pryelluw 7y agoI would rephrase your approach based on what technologies you know and want to work with. Instead of looking for project who need help, why not: I know $technology, which projects are looking for help? It's then a matter of a couple of web searching sessions. :) BTE, almost all scientific projects are looking for help. It's a matter of fit.
- kcindric 7y agoYou're right, I'm just hyped for things like iNaturalist because handling citizen science data was part of my job when I worked as a biologist and put my two fielda of interest together sounds great. My main stack now are C# and JS (Vue). Well, better start searching.
- jefft255 7y agoI submitted my first observation one month ago. Love this stuff, especially given that I collected more than 1000 observations of trees during my masters; I'm now slowly publishing the interesting ones.
- Taniwha 7y agoMy grandmother was a member of the local "Naturalist's Field Club" a bunch of mostly little old ladies who would go on bus trips to look at flowers in the countryside - they were continually being confused with the Naturists which resulted in a bunch of embarrassed tittering
- burmer 7y agoI love it! I can identify a number of native plants, but I use it for hikes when I spot something that looks weird. I found native orchids at my work!
- adiyatmubarak 7y agoReminds me my old pet project. I created android apps[1] for local herpetologist in Indonesia using iNaturalist API. So, people can report every encounter of herpetofauna around them and saved as gallery for their portfolio. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=id.web.adiyatmubarak.herpetkita&hl=in https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=id.web.adiyatm...