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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

187 points by rhema 7y ago

beeschlenker 7y ago
Attorney General Barr is not resigning; not before President Trump does. Barr is the same as Mueller,Pelosi,Schiff, Nadler: feign opposition to cover the true motive of obstruction to keep Trump in power. Supreme Court Justice Alito & FBI Deputy Director Wray also on board. See latest updates Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/washingtondc. Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose. "Impeachment" Is A Diversion And Delay - Part II: Blocking of the "impeachment" witnesses was collusion planned before the new year. Listen to an FBI agent's disclosure from January 1, 2O2O here. The President was to resign late summer securing election for DNC. See latest updates. Here is the zip file, which was also made available in the 3Jan2O2O update. The file within is VID_20200101_201948.mp3. Turn up the volume and put on headphones. BB10Mp3Footage31Dec1Jan.zip 122.4mb https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpIUazmi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpI... The dialogue about the impeachment starts near the beginning. Having Biden in the White House is as good as Trump or anyone else in their organization. Obviously Schiff and Nadler pledged their allegiance to the organization by raping boys on the record, with their task being to drag out an impeachment designed to obstruct and delay any real efforts to remove the President, thus keeping Trump in power. The witness blocking was to cause an apparent uproar delaying things with legal actions until late Summer. Soon after, the President would resign, leaving any other candidate with not enough time or support to compete with an opportunistic Biden, who is as good as Trump or any other Illuminati friendly politician in the Presidency. 169 pg PDF [last updated: February|25|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... Previously reported: \Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is what they are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power. $100+ billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country. 815+ deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty! See the latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump & his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ? Oihevfer, vlkrnvlkewmb,r ber Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 13O. \\if;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF that was last updated on 25 FEB 2O2O: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). President Donald Trump: Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24fY0vBB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f... 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJojHge/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ... President Trump rapes and kills 12 boys, including five boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17 Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, NY on the 17th Jan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 gorepqkberqaoper,bqpo,rfbv. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5thJan'19 at 17:39 for billions in bribes:. 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: jnnerwgewr, rglkent. 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about 20 mintes in- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts at 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14th Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi zijnoijrpotmebr https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 169page PDF [last updated: Feb|25|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US Recently more relevant: From page 49, Senator Mitch McConnell: At 1632 Senator Mitch McConnell checks into the Porter camera system inquiring if he can be part of the "eviction" for $10 million dollars. He is informed by group members that there are enough people for the event already and his participation is not necessary. At 1634 McConnell states "I fucked 15 kids, how am I not getting paid by you?" He is dismissed by Donald Reeves with "I think that will be all Mr. McConnell." 13JanCh3_1600-1700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAHtsX8-/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAH...
shadowgovt 7y ago
""" Under these new rules, users can be warned or even suspended for simply “upvoting policy-breaking content within quarantined communities.” """ That's an interesting policy. I can see the benefit if one's goal, as owner of a forum, is to constrain the tone of the forum. I wonder how the tone of Hacker News, for example, is changed by users upvoting comments in clear violation of forum policy.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  I think it would be more effective and less heavy-handed/controversial to take the newgrounds.com approach and give you more voting power if you upvote stuff that doesn't receive @dang-action and less voting power if you upvote stuff that eventually gets blammed/rejected/banned. I always thought it was a clever maneuver on newgrounds' part. Not to say this doesn't already happen on any forums, but my real point is that overtly punishing users with disciplinary action for what they upvote (as Reddit started doing) really seems like the worst of all solutions. Like something that was specifically engineered to maximize user outrage.
  - rtkwe 7y ago
    Maybe, that would require a more complex voting algorithm though which might be constrictive at Reddit's scale. I doubt it would be less controversial though, r/td is already convinced reddit is faking their subscriber count adding a shadowy vote weight to every users account probably wouldn't get a pass.
- preferenca 7y ago
  >I wonder how the tone of Hacker News, for example, is changed by users upvoting comments in clear violation of forum policy. It seems to me that Hacker News' singular focus doesn't allow for either strong, purposeful ideology nor for people intently metagaming the community to signal boost ideology. Maybe HN has this problem in a lesser capacity for PR submarines/advertising, but it's not nearly as severe as what the people in "the donald" are doing.
- jermaustin1 7y ago
Andhurati 7y ago
What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Indian Nationalist movement grew to the level it is today in part because of the rapid growth of Nationalist whatsapp echo-chambers.
- bflesch 7y ago
  IIRC this is why WhatsApp has now limited the max # of users per chatroom, so this isn't possible in the future
- preferenca 7y ago
  >What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Whatsapp, etc is not nearly as powerful a recruitment tool as a service designed to create communities, like reddit. Not saying it's not a problem (it is obviously), but it's still limiting compared to reddit.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  I think you raise an interesting point, but in a narrower scope the nature of conversation on Whatsapp isn't Reddit's problem.
- romwell 7y ago
  Give other users a better platform? Reddit is a public forum, and it wasn't a nice place with T_D on the front page. T_D has mounted a coordinated effort to take over the platform for their needs to the detriment of others. Reddit admins aren't doing it to stop Trump or his supporters. They are fighting to keep their platform alive for the other 99% who perhaps want to read about knitting and Linux without being called cucks. I believe this would allow the civilized T_D members to continue having a presence on Reddit. It's for their sake too.
- resters 7y ago
  I wonder if any proponents of deplatforming can comment on the parent's point. edit: why downvote this? I think the parent makes an important point. Is the goal of deplatforming to herd members into their own fortified echo chambers?
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iron0013 7y ago
Any other subreddit would have simply been banned long ago for unremitting and unrepentant rule breaking and evasion. And by the subreddit moderators themselves, no less, not just the users!
- lukebitts 7y ago
  Exactly, Reddit admins are never this patient with rule-breaking communities. If you check the timeline you can see how many times they have tried to work with the mods and they were uncooperative
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  Well, I don’t follow this that closely, but I do sort of follow, and it’s still not clear exactly what rules they were actually breaking: after all, Reddit doesn’t have that many. No illegal content, no real names, and no “group voting” (did I miss any)? Have the mods actually engaged in any of that? This seems to me to be very selective rule enforcement; every time I’ve looked through t_d, all I ever saw was silly pro-trump and anti-democrat pictures.
  - floatingatoll 7y ago
    You did not look closely or often enough, and there is sufficient evidence to disprove your “it seemed fine to me” anecdote.
- DFHippie 7y ago
  I can't say the behavior of its participants and moderators is all that shocking. If you venerate someone famous for breaking rules, shattering norms, and thumbing his nose at the delicate sensibilities of others, what are the odds you are going to be careful with "community guidelines" and such? And what are the odds you'll meekly accept your dethronement by "insiders", the reddit "deep state"? I don't expect this to unfold gracefully or be over any time soon.
- xtracto 7y ago
  Completely agree... you see users and mods swearing at the mods and telling them all sort of really offensive things...
maverick2007 7y ago
I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over shouldn't it just be removed from the site and not left up to upvote? Edit: the official policy is that only upvoting rule breaking posts will be cause for banning which makes sense. The Redditors I've heard from claim differently but are obviously biased. So take what I said with a grain of salt.
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  Were they upvoting posts that violated the Reddit participation guidelines?
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- shadowgovt 7y ago
  "Don't encourage them" is a standard admonishment given to people in a group IRL when one member is acting out. And it's demonstrably impossible for moderators to find and remove 100% of content in violation of policy. It pushes added responsibility on the upvoters to think before they upvote, but perhaps that is a fair request to make of forum participants. (And taking off my "community moderator" hat and putting on my "sysadmin" hat---both dusty from lack of use---using sock-puppets or a like-minded collective to brigate-upvote content so that it is visible before it gets banhammered is a known attack vector against the infrastructure itself, and mitigating that attack vector via added penalty for the supporting accounts doesn't seem unreasonable).
  - Brakenshire 7y ago
    Yes, if a user can be banned for repeatedly upvoting posts that encourage brigading or actual violence, I don’t see why users who repeatedly upvote the same content shouldn’t be included. Either there are rules which have meaningful sanctions or there aren’t.
cwperkins 7y ago
News sites like NYT and WSJ have introduced a featured comments section that is curated by the editorial team. In order to expose reddit users to different biases could the politics sub appoint a moderation team “fairly” and pick a few featured comments to expose reddit users to different leanings?
- creaghpatr 7y ago
  I would venture that reddit subs in "The_Donald" are not there to be exposed to reddit users of different biases.
  - cwperkins 7y ago
    I would argue that that’s true for most reddit users. The US House has rules for decorum in the political arena where people take turns speaking. Should we try to recreate that for the politics subreddit?
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  That would be an interesting approach for another forum dedicated to that experiment. You could start a sub of your own with mods assigned to that purpose if you wished to. I would advise against forcibly converting an existing forum without experimental results, though.
ordinaryradical 7y ago
A theoretical example 1. I develop a community dedicated to fascism. 2. I appoint moderators who are themselves avid ideological defenders of fascism. 3. Given the motives for belonging to the subreddit, the users naturally chafe at and violate the sitewide rules for reddit. They have their own interpretations of how to best implement and promote fascism. 4. Because of the moderators' sympathies for the underlying motives and tendencies, abuse and rule-breaking continues. Is anyone at fault here other than myself, the moderators, and the users? PS: This article is poorly written and doesn't actually explain any of actual things going on in the_donald, it just insinuates a political agenda to this happening.
- loxs 7y ago
  So, Trump memes are now fascism? Are we going to be surprised (again) when he wins again?
  - ordinaryradical 7y ago
    This is a bad take. I don't follow the_donald or its memes. I'm saying that if you build a community that is committed to breaking the rules of reddit it's going to get banned. You can insert knitting for fascism. It's the same across the board.
    - loxs 7y ago
      Only difference is that apparently fascism violates the ToS and knitting does not.
      - ordinaryradical 7y ago
        The actual difference is that certain ideologies attract people who think the ends justify the means or find transgression itself attractive and amusing; these qualities in the right combination lead to communities that will inevitably break the rules and undo themselves.
baalimago 7y ago
The 'frontpage of the internet' is actively taking control of the subreddit of a presidential candidate, in an election year. I know that HN is highly against Trump, and probably cheer for this decision, but how is this not a democratic issue?
- ordinaryradical 7y ago
  Reddit is a private enterprise and enforces its own rules for conduct across all communities and the_donald has routinely broken those roles as have the moderators. You don't have free speech on a private platform nor is there any democratic mandate to how Reddit must operate.
  - handedness 7y ago
    Regardless of where you fall on the ideological spectrum, selective enforcement is a significant problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement
    - kickopotomus 7y ago
      If that is the case, would you mind sourcing policy-breaking content from antithetical subreddits that have not been removed, quarantined, banned, etc?
      - deleted 7y ago
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- botwriter 7y ago
  an upvote to you sir. anyone who says anything even remotely in favour of trump usally loses all there HN points.
- brosinante 7y ago
  the_donald is not the subreddit of a presidential candidate.
Traster 7y ago
I find it kind of funny that people are getting so excited. Reddit has long had a policy of banning users who breach the site rules. /r/The_donald has long had a policy of breaching site rules including brigading, harassment, threats and sharing personal information. The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. Given how often the breaches occur it seems quite reasonable to actually step in. You'll note that with literally any other sub-reddit, the response to this behaviour would have simply been to shut down the sub-reddit. How many second chances do you need? Personally I would've thought the first person shooting up a restaurant would've been the red line but apparently not.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  That's not true. It's plastered all over not to brigade. NP links are required to prevent it. Ironically T_D deals with brigading from other subs all the time. The mods at T_D have followed every rule to the tee. Other subs are not expected to control all of their users, but at least to enforce the site rules, T_D mods have done this. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent if we want to use the fairest judgement standard.
  - JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
    NP links aren't 100% effective in stopping brigading. You can simply remove the "np." from the URL.
    - belltaco 7y ago
      AFAIK NP also only works for RES users, who are a fraction of Reddit Users.
    - sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
      The point was the mods were following the guidelines to prevent encouragement of brigading. Of course you can change the link, any user in any sub can change a link and brigade, at that point the blame is on the individual, not the group. I could show you many examples of rule breaking all over Reddit, that doesn't mean you quarantine the entire sub, there would be nothing left.
ortusdux 7y ago
There is more info & conjecture on r/subredditdrama for those interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9g0t9/reddit_today_announced_that_it_would_be_removing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9g0t9/redd... https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9xk6p/continuing_on_from_yesterdays_shit_show_the_mod/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9xk6p/cont...
bmarquez 7y ago
This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practices. This is the equivalent of China buying a United States forum in order to shape political opinion...oh wait[2] [1] https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-comments-chatl-1789342358 https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-... [2] https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/08/tencent-invests-social-platform-reddit.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/08/tencent-invests-so...
- macspoofing 7y ago
  >This is incredibly disturbing Meh. You're blowing this out of proportion. >in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing Again, you're making this seem more nefarious than it actually was. He did it because he thought it would be appreciated (obviously he was wrong). In the end, it was a dumb and immature move from a young, rookie CEO ... on a social network site (i.e. not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things) I don't really see this action by Reddit to be newsworthy at all. There are a lot of subreddits that straddle the line of being banned. The_Donald is certainly one of those communities.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > He did it because he thought it would be appreciated (obviously he was wrong). It's a bit beyond "I thought this would be funny, honest mistake, sorry", isn't it? How often has he (and others) done that without being caught doing so? And of course, once you're caught red handed in the cookie jar, is anything you say about acting alone and that not being SOP true, or is it just damage control? Regarding him being a "young, rookie CEO", he's been the CEO of reddit for years previously and was the CTO of Hipmunk. It's not like he found himself in a role with a lot of power and overstepped the line a bit in his first week. I don't think it's a state affair, but it's not "I was tired and emotional and I kind of clicked on the wrong button" either.
dylkil 7y ago
can they do the same for r/bitcoin
sergiotapia 7y ago
It looks like they've moved to https://thedonald.win/ https://thedonald.win/ - I wonder if they're using a fork of reddit's old source code. The site feels like a subreddit.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  It's far more active than I would have imagined from this sort of splinter forum. Though it's also the height of T_D drama which lights the perfect fire under a splinter forum.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    It's been active for months. They knew Reddit was moving in this direction over a year ago and then when they got quarantined last summer they sped up development and released it. T_D had close to 1 million members, so it's a big population of users.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
    It's been the official website of the T_D subreddit for awhile now. This is not the first wave of drama T_D mods have dealt with. They've dealt with quarantines, post-editing, brigading, and ranking algorithm changes, that's why they have a site already and are using it as a primary platform as opposed to a backup (although the subreddit still has a much larger user base, the content is fresher on the main site). Also, half of America approves of Trump's job, it's not crazy to think that there's a large amount of traffic, they have to go somewhere online.
    - brokensegue 7y ago
      Less than half. About 43% according to 538
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
        50% according to Gallup 46.4% according to the RCP polling average, within the margin of error to say half. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru... The average approval rating is strong enough to hold my point that there is a large number of supporters, do you disagree?
botwriter 7y ago
The comments here comparing the_donald to fascism. its a subreddit for people who support the democratically elected President of the US. Its not extreme its just shit posting and funny memes.
- hello_friendos 7y ago
  That's an incredibly charitable description. First, Trump lost the popular vote by millions. Second, T_D has been a source of posts that incite violence, harass other users and general racism/homophobia
- Someone1234 7y ago
  In response to this action the most upvoted thread was mocking WWII holocaust victims. The sub got quarantined for numerous rule breaking actions including racism, doxing (inc. Reddit and Imgur employees), sexism, harassment of other subs, and violent threats. The only way to believe that this has anything to do with supporting a political candidate is simply to ignore all the actual content and posters on that sub.
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    No, it was mocking the Admins branding people the deemed undesirable. That went way over your head.
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      It was a photo of WWII holocaust victims that was used in a meme to mock the admins. It was also the top most post on the sub for hours. You cannot spin this into an acceptable thing.
  - macinjosh 7y ago
    > In response to this action the most upvoted thread was mocking WWII holocaust victims. So what? Obviously, it is in poor taste and is a bad look but its just idiots on the internet trying to be edgy and generate outrage. Knee-jerk reactions to shut them down are exactly what they want and feed off of. Trump himself does the same thing. He says and does things specifically to rile up journalists and the left to cause more chaos and entertain his followers. We should stop falling for it!
morley 7y ago
It's ironic that this publication is ostensibly anti-censorship. One of the few things I know about this subreddit is how quick they were to delete posts and ban commenters that didn't fit in with their worldview.
- charwalker 7y ago
  Similary the conservative subreddit has a rule stating it is not a debate platform and dissent or debate will be removed. It's an echo chamber of self-victimization that probably sees the Youtube case earlier this week on first amendment application as both a win for private companies and a loss of what they consider their right to free speech.
  - derision 7y ago
    The same echo chambers exist on the left. I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. The "I am once again asking for your financial support" meme perfectly captures this.
    - charwalker 7y ago
      Yeah, those are not the same thing and your point would be sen as disingenuous unless you were asking about the difference vs stating them as the same. Hes running to get big/dark/foreign money out of politics ad is funded 100% by citizen/supporter donations not special interests. He could push for a public funding system to eliminate both types but would need either careful legislation, a supreme court reversal, or a constitutional amendment (and probably both the first 2 to work long term anyway). On top of that, the conservative subreddit literally has rules about it not being a place of debate or questions. Compare it to the Bernie sub rules and see if you can spot how once again both sides are not the same.
    - wtallis 7y ago
      > I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. It seems like you were rightly banned for being deliberately obtuse. Pretending that there's no difference between grassroots small money donations and the kind of money that Sanders wants to eliminate from politics is straight up trolling. Even if you believe that both categories need to be eliminated, you didn't start with anything resembling a lead-in to a reasonable discussion on the matter.
floatingatoll 7y ago
Reddit’s letter to the forum mods: https://i.imgur.com/lX83eZV.png https://i.imgur.com/lX83eZV.png
- craftyguy 7y ago
  > Sign in required >This page may contain erotic or adult imagery. You'll need to sign in if you still want to view it. Fuck that.
  - floatingatoll 7y ago
    That’s usually due to supporters of the forum in question flagging it to prevent others from viewing it easily. If you have the mobile Imgur app it can view the link without being signed in.
    - prepend 7y ago
      It’s also due to Imgur’s new anti-user policy trying to get more logins. They could easily have a button to bypass, but require signin. Same with YouTube and others following this asshole design pattern.
- Gravyness 7y ago
  Can you post it somewhere where people can view it without having an account, like tinypic/postimage/etc? I get a "Sign in required" from your image link.
armenarmen 7y ago
Aaron Swartz must be rolling in his grave.
williesleg 7y ago
Reddit is the new digg.
rhema 7y ago
I think the approach is bizarre. How will replacing 1/2 of T_D mods with new management solve anything? What is the goal? I would really like to understand what is going on in the room when these ideas are presented. T_D is a cesspool. It's not the only cesspool on Reddit. It is a special cesspool with special attention and solutions that are tricky, especially in an election year. At some point, big tech companies are going to have to articulate their role (wanted or not) in tweaking society.
- wtallis 7y ago
  Reddit is pretty clearly trying to find any viable alternative to outright banning T_D. They're attempting a proof by exhaustion that the community will not cooperate with any viable moderation policy. They're rightly afraid to just pull the trigger and delete the whole subreddit. There's also some chance that they can get the community in its current form to die in a more organic and less sudden manner, by expunging enough of the worst users and behaviors that it is no longer such a self-sustaining cesspool. Banning mods who directly encourage "shitposting" by name seems like a reasonable step toward that goal.
  - superkuh 7y ago
    If you think shitposting is a "bad" thing that should invoke bans you're a little bit out of touch with the web jargon.
    - wtallis 7y ago
      What obscure and/or twisted definition of "shitposting" are you operating under where you don't see it as bad for a forum that's intended to foster civilized discussion? If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place?
      - superkuh 7y ago
        > If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place? That's a totally legit argument. People shouldn't. But as someone that was on reddit from 2008 on there were a few years were it wasn't corporate run and actually celebrated free speech in both words and policy. Then that changed. I stopped. But network effect keeps groups there.
mrits 7y ago
What is really happening is reddit is just taking over all the most popular subreddits. They want to control the main vibe of the site. Understandable for a corporation but not in line with the original idea of the founders.
- Gunax 7y ago
  You're correct that it isn't surprising. Best action is to bring this to light. Make everyone aware that Reddit is not a free speech zone--its a closely monitored and profit-driven business.
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    Yes we all know closely moderated speech has been Reddit's hallmark for success.
- charwalker 7y ago
  This sub is popular among a small group but overall despised by the community. It openly flaunts the site rules and promotes content that draws a black eye from media attention. The current moves are though to be aimed at stifling the sub until it dies off vs a full ban as that would quickly draw headiness even though Youtube got the legal go ahead vs free speech rights just this week.
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    It's one of the largest subreddits there is but yea "small group"
    - charwalker 7y ago
      I meant in terms of overall Reddit users. If it is the 6th most popular web site in the US then however many active, non bot subs this subreddit has is minor and probably makes up a much larger percent of reports and issues than it should. It can't buy awards or make ad revenue (while quarantined) so is a huge cost center and time drain as well.
yourcssisbroke 7y ago
reddit is a shit-hole echo chamber
macinjosh 7y ago
Advertising and free discussion do not mix, at all. It is not surprising this sort of thing is being done by a company whose true customers are their advertisers, not users. Internet companies who mess with user content to appease advertisers are going to learn soon enough that they can't serve both masters at least for anything anyone is very passionate about, like politics. When I was a kid®, this sort content lived in web forums or newsgroups hosted by interested parties. You were unlikely to find any of it unless you went looking for it. It is probably best if it goes back to that. Internet pro-tip: If you don't want to be beholden to reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. don't use them, it is really that simple.
- viklove 7y ago
  The problem is there aren't many places where free discussion can be had without ad funding. It's one of the reasons I started plebia.io -- because ad funded discussion platforms will ultimately make decisions that are in the best interest of their customers (ad companies), not their users. I go into more depth in a blog post here: https://www.plebia.io/blogs/site/uDIkCFPp2b8+Online-Discussion-Platforms-Have-Changed https://www.plebia.io/blogs/site/uDIkCFPp2b8+Online-Discussi...
crystaldev 7y ago
Worth pointing out that Reddit up/downvotes have been heavily monitored for as long as Reddit fought voting rings. At least ten years. Any "suspicious" account has its voting rights neutered: The arrows become placebo buttons. I've observed this with every Reddit account I've owned (another certain website does this).
agumonkey 7y ago
where do these users go ?
- ehvatum 7y ago
  The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, so thedonald.win was started by r/the_donald moderators in anticipation of the inevitable. That's the recommended place for r/the_donald users to migrate. Check out r/worldnews or r/politics for reddit's consensus view of "impartial moderation". The recent events are to be expected and certainly were.
hcarvalhoalves 7y ago
Reddit is a private site, and everyone is free to host their own site with their opinions, right? What’s the problem?
XPKBandMaidCzun 7y ago
Don't know about the politics, but we beat up each other too much: People end up in groups based on their journey to find someone who validates their hardship. In 201x, the process goes something like this: When we struggle, we reach out for help, and rather than finding articles that are soothing chicken soup, they're news articles that we are worthy of contempt based on characteristics we have. The reader may get angered, as preposterously, some how, a specified group of people's needs and niche circumstance eclipses everything else. The algorithms leads to a string of sensational articles about how society needs to be restructured honor the whims of people based on a trait and exceptional edgecase circumstances. Respect is conditional based on tribal loyalty and repeating generalized tropes with religious zeal - if you dare to dissect it as a social construction - you're out of the club. You're not enlightened, don't get it, and generally what's wrong with society, somehow. I think general miserliness and insensitivity create the conditions for people to resort to unifying over absurd polarizing generalizations above all else. If our feelings and worth are based on preconditions, I'd assume it'd be pretty hard to build consensus, cooperate and make everyone feel loved and cared for. That said, when people squabble over rhetorical devices instead of unifying to improve the conditions of legal persons universally, it's great for the stock market.
swebs 7y ago
So I tried to visit https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ to see what the fuss is about, but apparently Reddit wants me to jump through hoops to give them my email to even be able to view it. Is there any archive site or whatever that will let me view this subreddit without giving reddit my personal information?
- Bozzz 7y ago
  AFAIK, when you make a reddit account it asks you for your email, but you can just leave that field blank.
  - OrgNet 7y ago
    They only make it look like your email address is required... black pattern by Reddit...
- charwalker 7y ago
  The sub has been quarantined and I think requires you to be a verified user and go directly to the sub to view like its not listed on the site or even visible in third party apps. https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/aayoxb/what_is_a_quarantined_subreddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/aayoxb/what_is_a_quar...
- ratsmack 7y ago
  You can use this link: https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
beloch 7y ago
Reddit has become highly successful as a political discussion forum for people from pretty much every part of the spectrum, but the moderation is utterly opaque. Even relatively centrist subreddits, such as /r/Canada, have mods who ignore the published moderation rules of their own subreddit and do what they please. If they don't like a thread or post it just disappears, even if it violated no rule. Reddit's moderation system is designed to prevent users from seeing how it works. The result is a cocktail of factors ripe for exploitation: 1. Some political subreddits have hundreds of thousands of users and are highly influential. 2. Mods have unrestricted power and virtually no accountability. Users have no way to check that moderation is fair and unbiased. 3. Mods are unpaid and anonymous. If Russia or China specifically set out to design a way to influence foreign politics, Reddit would be a fantastic platform to do just that. If you can get mods in your pocket you can promote or suppress issues to suit whatever agenda you desire. If Reddit were going to try to reign in the very worst of its mods, /r/The_Donald would probably be a good place to start. Most reddit users view that forum as a cesspool that was quarantined for good reason. However, the methods Reddit is using here are as opaque as that of the moderators themselves. There has been no direct communication to users. All the reporting on this "purge" is sourced from the purged moderators themselves. While I have no sympathy for the mods of /r/The_Donald whatsoever, the way Reddit is operating here is indeed reminiscent of a totalitarian state's propaganda ministry. They permit much, but certain things bring the fist down hard, and it's done in a way that most people are not meant to see. If you rely on Reddit for political information then you are making yourself vulnerable to unknown influences. While reddit is a fantastic resource in many ways, it's simply not safe to rely upon for certain things. With most traditional news sources now being owned by a small number of international conglomerates, there is a real need for alternative forums of political discussion. Reddit, as it currently exists, should not be that forum. However, with changes something like Reddit could be made to work. Such a forum would need to make moderation much more transparent. You can't give mods the power to simply disappear that which they don't like. Users need to be able to examine the actions of moderators and question them. Taking away the toy of unchecked, anonymous power would naturally make it harder to find mods, so they might actually have to be paid. How you make money like Reddit does without volunteer moderators is a problem worth solving, as is finding a way to select moderators that can be trusted by the community they serve and not necessarily the company paying them.
vermooten 7y ago
Good news for once.
humble_engineer 7y ago
But it didn't work, the mods there launched their own site (thedonald.win) and the users have all moved over. Pretty poor marketing and business from reddit to try and control the free speech of 35 million conservatives.
sadfsdafsaasdfd 7y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis... It wasn't photoshopped... So you're one example was you mistakenly thinking something was racist when really it was the actual content that Bloomberg chose. That's how sensitive you are.
throwawayrepub 7y ago
It's not photoshopped, you're just sensitive. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis... Your one example is wrong. Maybe you have the wrong idea of the other side? Maybe your bias blinds your judgement and you hate what you don't understand? Certainly seems that way.

187 points by rhema 7y ago

Attorney General Barr is not resigning; not before President Trump does. Barr is the same as Mueller,Pelosi,Schiff, Nadler: feign opposition to cover the true motive of obstruction to keep Trump in power. Supreme Court Justice Alito & FBI Deputy Director Wray also on board. See latest updates Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/washingtondc. Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose. "Impeachment" Is A Diversion And Delay - Part II: Blocking of the "impeachment" witnesses was collusion planned before the new year. Listen to an FBI agent's disclosure from January 1, 2O2O here. The President was to resign late summer securing election for DNC. See latest updates. Here is the zip file, which was also made available in the 3Jan2O2O update. The file within is VID_20200101_201948.mp3. Turn up the volume and put on headphones. BB10Mp3Footage31Dec1Jan.zip 122.4mb https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpIUazmi/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IXOOhQhHybwky8Z5pGdr9ZXhWpI... The dialogue about the impeachment starts near the beginning. Having Biden in the White House is as good as Trump or anyone else in their organization. Obviously Schiff and Nadler pledged their allegiance to the organization by raping boys on the record, with their task being to drag out an impeachment designed to obstruct and delay any real efforts to remove the President, thus keeping Trump in power. The witness blocking was to cause an apparent uproar delaying things with legal actions until late Summer. Soon after, the President would resign, leaving any other candidate with not enough time or support to compete with an opportunistic Biden, who is as good as Trump or any other Illuminati friendly politician in the Presidency. 169 pg PDF [last updated: February|25|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... Previously reported: \Wag The Dog: first was feigned impeachment hearings meant to obstruct, now an attack on Iranians in Iraq. Here is what they are trying to distract from & cover up to retain power. $100+ billion in bribes to the highest offices in this country. 815+ deaths from child rapes to prove loyalty! See the latest PDF updates: FBI Director Wray, AG Barr, SoD Shanahan, & SoS Pompeo each raped boys and were paid billions in bribes for a Soros & Koch funded child rape org. So did Trump & his "impeachment" team Nadler,Schiff,Mueller.So did media moguls Redstone,Murdoch,Moonves. What are they trying to set up? Who can arrest them since they are all bribed and in on it ? Oihevfer, vlkrnvlkewmb,r ber Their strategy to stay in every office and obstruct until forced to leave no matter what. Feigning impeachment: see page 13O. \\if;Download the video/audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this PDF that was last updated on 25 FEB 2O2O: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (from pg 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey). President Donald Trump: Demands a $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am 4Jan2019: 3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... 3JanCh2_900-1100-avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24fY0vBB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f... 3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJojHge/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ... President Trump rapes and kills 12 boys, including five boys in a "who can rape five boys to death the fastest" game: 14JanCh3_600.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj258zB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj... 14JanCh2_600-700.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_Lw_gCF/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi: Accepting a $3 billion dollar bribe at 1033 am on the 17 Jan 2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterey" undocumented to be raped: 17JanCh3_949-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... 17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZNjDmnk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN... Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes these boys instead: 12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25kW2Oz/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25... Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, NY on the 17th Jan2019 at 7:50am: 18JanCh4_700mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0N0Bp7/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0... 18JanCh2_700.mp3 gorepqkberqaoper,bqpo,rfbv. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_odB2Um/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o... 18JanCh3_725-.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKIifGGm/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI... Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan each raped and killed boys on 5thJan'19 at 17:39 for billions in bribes:. 5JanCh2_1721-1818.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02Mjwrg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02... Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm and 1:10am: jnnerwgewr, rglkent. 14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about 20 mintes in- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU66GuU/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU... 14JanCh2_2304-2359.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9WLr1x1/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W... Mueller at 12:25am, next is Schiff who starts at 12:55-ish: 15JanCh2_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62tgCkj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62... 15JanCh2_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_rGSFH/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_... 15JanCh4_000-100.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2OQnwZ/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2... 15JanCh4_100-200.mp3 https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw746LeCL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74... Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC NightlyNews, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14th Jan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5.15am, then Holt about 5:38 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below: 14JanCh3_500-601.avi zijnoijrpotmebr https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX3o7UL/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX... 14JanCh2_530-600.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1RwidV/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1... Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone and Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President. 14JanCh3_700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXaB4aI0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa... 14JanCh2_700-800.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWYKfRDp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY... 169page PDF [last updated: Feb|25|2O2O]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W2qxVc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W... \\. Please repost in USA! Post gets censored in US Recently more relevant: From page 49, Senator Mitch McConnell: At 1632 Senator Mitch McConnell checks into the Porter camera system inquiring if he can be part of the "eviction" for $10 million dollars. He is informed by group members that there are enough people for the event already and his participation is not necessary. At 1634 McConnell states "I fucked 15 kids, how am I not getting paid by you?" He is dismissed by Donald Reeves with "I think that will be all Mr. McConnell." 13JanCh3_1600-1700.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAHtsX8-/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7bqOpvaEWmLiJpMhJNQDrfsQAH...

shadowgovt 7y ago

""" Under these new rules, users can be warned or even suspended for simply “upvoting policy-breaking content within quarantined communities.” """ That's an interesting policy. I can see the benefit if one's goal, as owner of a forum, is to constrain the tone of the forum. I wonder how the tone of Hacker News, for example, is changed by users upvoting comments in clear violation of forum policy.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
I think it would be more effective and less heavy-handed/controversial to take the newgrounds.com approach and give you more voting power if you upvote stuff that doesn't receive @dang-action and less voting power if you upvote stuff that eventually gets blammed/rejected/banned. I always thought it was a clever maneuver on newgrounds' part. Not to say this doesn't already happen on any forums, but my real point is that overtly punishing users with disciplinary action for what they upvote (as Reddit started doing) really seems like the worst of all solutions. Like something that was specifically engineered to maximize user outrage.
- rtkwe 7y ago
  Maybe, that would require a more complex voting algorithm though which might be constrictive at Reddit's scale. I doubt it would be less controversial though, r/td is already convinced reddit is faking their subscriber count adding a shadowy vote weight to every users account probably wouldn't get a pass.
preferenca 7y ago
>I wonder how the tone of Hacker News, for example, is changed by users upvoting comments in clear violation of forum policy. It seems to me that Hacker News' singular focus doesn't allow for either strong, purposeful ideology nor for people intently metagaming the community to signal boost ideology. Maybe HN has this problem in a lesser capacity for PR submarines/advertising, but it's not nearly as severe as what the people in "the donald" are doing.
jermaustin1 7y ago

Andhurati 7y ago

What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Indian Nationalist movement grew to the level it is today in part because of the rapid growth of Nationalist whatsapp echo-chambers.

bflesch 7y ago
IIRC this is why WhatsApp has now limited the max # of users per chatroom, so this isn't possible in the future
preferenca 7y ago
>What does this do besides drive them to Whatsapp? Whatsapp, etc is not nearly as powerful a recruitment tool as a service designed to create communities, like reddit. Not saying it's not a problem (it is obviously), but it's still limiting compared to reddit.
shadowgovt 7y ago
I think you raise an interesting point, but in a narrower scope the nature of conversation on Whatsapp isn't Reddit's problem.
romwell 7y ago
Give other users a better platform? Reddit is a public forum, and it wasn't a nice place with T_D on the front page. T_D has mounted a coordinated effort to take over the platform for their needs to the detriment of others. Reddit admins aren't doing it to stop Trump or his supporters. They are fighting to keep their platform alive for the other 99% who perhaps want to read about knitting and Linux without being called cucks. I believe this would allow the civilized T_D members to continue having a presence on Reddit. It's for their sake too.
resters 7y ago
I wonder if any proponents of deplatforming can comment on the parent's point. edit: why downvote this? I think the parent makes an important point. Is the goal of deplatforming to herd members into their own fortified echo chambers?
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iron0013 7y ago

Any other subreddit would have simply been banned long ago for unremitting and unrepentant rule breaking and evasion. And by the subreddit moderators themselves, no less, not just the users!

lukebitts 7y ago
Exactly, Reddit admins are never this patient with rule-breaking communities. If you check the timeline you can see how many times they have tried to work with the mods and they were uncooperative
commandlinefan 7y ago
Well, I don’t follow this that closely, but I do sort of follow, and it’s still not clear exactly what rules they were actually breaking: after all, Reddit doesn’t have that many. No illegal content, no real names, and no “group voting” (did I miss any)? Have the mods actually engaged in any of that? This seems to me to be very selective rule enforcement; every time I’ve looked through t_d, all I ever saw was silly pro-trump and anti-democrat pictures.
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  You did not look closely or often enough, and there is sufficient evidence to disprove your “it seemed fine to me” anecdote.
DFHippie 7y ago
I can't say the behavior of its participants and moderators is all that shocking. If you venerate someone famous for breaking rules, shattering norms, and thumbing his nose at the delicate sensibilities of others, what are the odds you are going to be careful with "community guidelines" and such? And what are the odds you'll meekly accept your dethronement by "insiders", the reddit "deep state"? I don't expect this to unfold gracefully or be over any time soon.
xtracto 7y ago
Completely agree... you see users and mods swearing at the mods and telling them all sort of really offensive things...

maverick2007 7y ago

I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over shouldn't it just be removed from the site and not left up to upvote? Edit: the official policy is that only upvoting rule breaking posts will be cause for banning which makes sense. The Redditors I've heard from claim differently but are obviously biased. So take what I said with a grain of salt.

floatingatoll 7y ago
Were they upvoting posts that violated the Reddit participation guidelines?
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shadowgovt 7y ago
"Don't encourage them" is a standard admonishment given to people in a group IRL when one member is acting out. And it's demonstrably impossible for moderators to find and remove 100% of content in violation of policy. It pushes added responsibility on the upvoters to think before they upvote, but perhaps that is a fair request to make of forum participants. (And taking off my "community moderator" hat and putting on my "sysadmin" hat---both dusty from lack of use---using sock-puppets or a like-minded collective to brigate-upvote content so that it is visible before it gets banhammered is a known attack vector against the infrastructure itself, and mitigating that attack vector via added penalty for the supporting accounts doesn't seem unreasonable).
- Brakenshire 7y ago
  Yes, if a user can be banned for repeatedly upvoting posts that encourage brigading or actual violence, I don’t see why users who repeatedly upvote the same content shouldn’t be included. Either there are rules which have meaningful sanctions or there aren’t.

cwperkins 7y ago

News sites like NYT and WSJ have introduced a featured comments section that is curated by the editorial team. In order to expose reddit users to different biases could the politics sub appoint a moderation team “fairly” and pick a few featured comments to expose reddit users to different leanings?

creaghpatr 7y ago
I would venture that reddit subs in "The_Donald" are not there to be exposed to reddit users of different biases.
- cwperkins 7y ago
  I would argue that that’s true for most reddit users. The US House has rules for decorum in the political arena where people take turns speaking. Should we try to recreate that for the politics subreddit?
floatingatoll 7y ago
That would be an interesting approach for another forum dedicated to that experiment. You could start a sub of your own with mods assigned to that purpose if you wished to. I would advise against forcibly converting an existing forum without experimental results, though.

ordinaryradical 7y ago

A theoretical example 1. I develop a community dedicated to fascism. 2. I appoint moderators who are themselves avid ideological defenders of fascism. 3. Given the motives for belonging to the subreddit, the users naturally chafe at and violate the sitewide rules for reddit. They have their own interpretations of how to best implement and promote fascism. 4. Because of the moderators' sympathies for the underlying motives and tendencies, abuse and rule-breaking continues. Is anyone at fault here other than myself, the moderators, and the users? PS: This article is poorly written and doesn't actually explain any of actual things going on in the_donald, it just insinuates a political agenda to this happening.

loxs 7y ago
So, Trump memes are now fascism? Are we going to be surprised (again) when he wins again?
- ordinaryradical 7y ago
  This is a bad take. I don't follow the_donald or its memes. I'm saying that if you build a community that is committed to breaking the rules of reddit it's going to get banned. You can insert knitting for fascism. It's the same across the board.
  - loxs 7y ago
    Only difference is that apparently fascism violates the ToS and knitting does not.
    - ordinaryradical 7y ago
      The actual difference is that certain ideologies attract people who think the ends justify the means or find transgression itself attractive and amusing; these qualities in the right combination lead to communities that will inevitably break the rules and undo themselves.

baalimago 7y ago

The 'frontpage of the internet' is actively taking control of the subreddit of a presidential candidate, in an election year. I know that HN is highly against Trump, and probably cheer for this decision, but how is this not a democratic issue?

ordinaryradical 7y ago
Reddit is a private enterprise and enforces its own rules for conduct across all communities and the_donald has routinely broken those roles as have the moderators. You don't have free speech on a private platform nor is there any democratic mandate to how Reddit must operate.
- handedness 7y ago
  Regardless of where you fall on the ideological spectrum, selective enforcement is a significant problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement
  - kickopotomus 7y ago
    If that is the case, would you mind sourcing policy-breaking content from antithetical subreddits that have not been removed, quarantined, banned, etc?
    - deleted 7y ago
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botwriter 7y ago
an upvote to you sir. anyone who says anything even remotely in favour of trump usally loses all there HN points.
brosinante 7y ago
the_donald is not the subreddit of a presidential candidate.

Traster 7y ago

I find it kind of funny that people are getting so excited. Reddit has long had a policy of banning users who breach the site rules. /r/The_donald has long had a policy of breaching site rules including brigading, harassment, threats and sharing personal information. The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. Given how often the breaches occur it seems quite reasonable to actually step in. You'll note that with literally any other sub-reddit, the response to this behaviour would have simply been to shut down the sub-reddit. How many second chances do you need? Personally I would've thought the first person shooting up a restaurant would've been the red line but apparently not.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
That's not true. It's plastered all over not to brigade. NP links are required to prevent it. Ironically T_D deals with brigading from other subs all the time. The mods at T_D have followed every rule to the tee. Other subs are not expected to control all of their users, but at least to enforce the site rules, T_D mods have done this. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent if we want to use the fairest judgement standard.
- JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
  NP links aren't 100% effective in stopping brigading. You can simply remove the "np." from the URL.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    AFAIK NP also only works for RES users, who are a fraction of Reddit Users.
  - sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
    The point was the mods were following the guidelines to prevent encouragement of brigading. Of course you can change the link, any user in any sub can change a link and brigade, at that point the blame is on the individual, not the group. I could show you many examples of rule breaking all over Reddit, that doesn't mean you quarantine the entire sub, there would be nothing left.

ortusdux 7y ago

There is more info & conjecture on r/subredditdrama for those interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9g0t9/reddit_today_announced_that_it_would_be_removing/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9g0t9/redd... https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9xk6p/continuing_on_from_yesterdays_shit_show_the_mod/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/f9xk6p/cont...

bmarquez 7y ago

This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practices. This is the equivalent of China buying a United States forum in order to shape political opinion...oh wait[2] [1] https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-comments-chatl-1789342358 https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-caught-secretly-editing-user-... [2] https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/08/tencent-invests-social-platform-reddit.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/08/tencent-invests-so...

macspoofing 7y ago
>This is incredibly disturbing Meh. You're blowing this out of proportion. >in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing Again, you're making this seem more nefarious than it actually was. He did it because he thought it would be appreciated (obviously he was wrong). In the end, it was a dumb and immature move from a young, rookie CEO ... on a social network site (i.e. not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things) I don't really see this action by Reddit to be newsworthy at all. There are a lot of subreddits that straddle the line of being banned. The_Donald is certainly one of those communities.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > He did it because he thought it would be appreciated (obviously he was wrong). It's a bit beyond "I thought this would be funny, honest mistake, sorry", isn't it? How often has he (and others) done that without being caught doing so? And of course, once you're caught red handed in the cookie jar, is anything you say about acting alone and that not being SOP true, or is it just damage control? Regarding him being a "young, rookie CEO", he's been the CEO of reddit for years previously and was the CTO of Hipmunk. It's not like he found himself in a role with a lot of power and overstepped the line a bit in his first week. I don't think it's a state affair, but it's not "I was tired and emotional and I kind of clicked on the wrong button" either.

dylkil 7y ago

can they do the same for r/bitcoin

sergiotapia 7y ago

It looks like they've moved to https://thedonald.win/ https://thedonald.win/ - I wonder if they're using a fork of reddit's old source code. The site feels like a subreddit.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
It's far more active than I would have imagined from this sort of splinter forum. Though it's also the height of T_D drama which lights the perfect fire under a splinter forum.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  It's been active for months. They knew Reddit was moving in this direction over a year ago and then when they got quarantined last summer they sped up development and released it. T_D had close to 1 million members, so it's a big population of users.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  It's been the official website of the T_D subreddit for awhile now. This is not the first wave of drama T_D mods have dealt with. They've dealt with quarantines, post-editing, brigading, and ranking algorithm changes, that's why they have a site already and are using it as a primary platform as opposed to a backup (although the subreddit still has a much larger user base, the content is fresher on the main site). Also, half of America approves of Trump's job, it's not crazy to think that there's a large amount of traffic, they have to go somewhere online.
  - brokensegue 7y ago
    Less than half. About 43% according to 538
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
      50% according to Gallup 46.4% according to the RCP polling average, within the margin of error to say half. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_tru... The average approval rating is strong enough to hold my point that there is a large number of supporters, do you disagree?

botwriter 7y ago

The comments here comparing the_donald to fascism. its a subreddit for people who support the democratically elected President of the US. Its not extreme its just shit posting and funny memes.

hello_friendos 7y ago
That's an incredibly charitable description. First, Trump lost the popular vote by millions. Second, T_D has been a source of posts that incite violence, harass other users and general racism/homophobia
Someone1234 7y ago
In response to this action the most upvoted thread was mocking WWII holocaust victims. The sub got quarantined for numerous rule breaking actions including racism, doxing (inc. Reddit and Imgur employees), sexism, harassment of other subs, and violent threats. The only way to believe that this has anything to do with supporting a political candidate is simply to ignore all the actual content and posters on that sub.
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  No, it was mocking the Admins branding people the deemed undesirable. That went way over your head.
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    It was a photo of WWII holocaust victims that was used in a meme to mock the admins. It was also the top most post on the sub for hours. You cannot spin this into an acceptable thing.
- macinjosh 7y ago
  > In response to this action the most upvoted thread was mocking WWII holocaust victims. So what? Obviously, it is in poor taste and is a bad look but its just idiots on the internet trying to be edgy and generate outrage. Knee-jerk reactions to shut them down are exactly what they want and feed off of. Trump himself does the same thing. He says and does things specifically to rile up journalists and the left to cause more chaos and entertain his followers. We should stop falling for it!

morley 7y ago

It's ironic that this publication is ostensibly anti-censorship. One of the few things I know about this subreddit is how quick they were to delete posts and ban commenters that didn't fit in with their worldview.

charwalker 7y ago
Similary the conservative subreddit has a rule stating it is not a debate platform and dissent or debate will be removed. It's an echo chamber of self-victimization that probably sees the Youtube case earlier this week on first amendment application as both a win for private companies and a loss of what they consider their right to free speech.
- derision 7y ago
  The same echo chambers exist on the left. I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. The "I am once again asking for your financial support" meme perfectly captures this.
  - charwalker 7y ago
    Yeah, those are not the same thing and your point would be sen as disingenuous unless you were asking about the difference vs stating them as the same. Hes running to get big/dark/foreign money out of politics ad is funded 100% by citizen/supporter donations not special interests. He could push for a public funding system to eliminate both types but would need either careful legislation, a supreme court reversal, or a constitutional amendment (and probably both the first 2 to work long term anyway). On top of that, the conservative subreddit literally has rules about it not being a place of debate or questions. Compare it to the Bernie sub rules and see if you can spot how once again both sides are not the same.
  - wtallis 7y ago
    > I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. It seems like you were rightly banned for being deliberately obtuse. Pretending that there's no difference between grassroots small money donations and the kind of money that Sanders wants to eliminate from politics is straight up trolling. Even if you believe that both categories need to be eliminated, you didn't start with anything resembling a lead-in to a reasonable discussion on the matter.

floatingatoll 7y ago

Reddit’s letter to the forum mods: https://i.imgur.com/lX83eZV.png https://i.imgur.com/lX83eZV.png

craftyguy 7y ago
> Sign in required >This page may contain erotic or adult imagery. You'll need to sign in if you still want to view it. Fuck that.
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  That’s usually due to supporters of the forum in question flagging it to prevent others from viewing it easily. If you have the mobile Imgur app it can view the link without being signed in.
  - prepend 7y ago
    It’s also due to Imgur’s new anti-user policy trying to get more logins. They could easily have a button to bypass, but require signin. Same with YouTube and others following this asshole design pattern.
Gravyness 7y ago
Can you post it somewhere where people can view it without having an account, like tinypic/postimage/etc? I get a "Sign in required" from your image link.

armenarmen 7y ago

Aaron Swartz must be rolling in his grave.

williesleg 7y ago

Reddit is the new digg.

rhema 7y ago

I think the approach is bizarre. How will replacing 1/2 of T_D mods with new management solve anything? What is the goal? I would really like to understand what is going on in the room when these ideas are presented. T_D is a cesspool. It's not the only cesspool on Reddit. It is a special cesspool with special attention and solutions that are tricky, especially in an election year. At some point, big tech companies are going to have to articulate their role (wanted or not) in tweaking society.

wtallis 7y ago
Reddit is pretty clearly trying to find any viable alternative to outright banning T_D. They're attempting a proof by exhaustion that the community will not cooperate with any viable moderation policy. They're rightly afraid to just pull the trigger and delete the whole subreddit. There's also some chance that they can get the community in its current form to die in a more organic and less sudden manner, by expunging enough of the worst users and behaviors that it is no longer such a self-sustaining cesspool. Banning mods who directly encourage "shitposting" by name seems like a reasonable step toward that goal.
- superkuh 7y ago
  If you think shitposting is a "bad" thing that should invoke bans you're a little bit out of touch with the web jargon.
  - wtallis 7y ago
    What obscure and/or twisted definition of "shitposting" are you operating under where you don't see it as bad for a forum that's intended to foster civilized discussion? If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place?
    - superkuh 7y ago
      > If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place? That's a totally legit argument. People shouldn't. But as someone that was on reddit from 2008 on there were a few years were it wasn't corporate run and actually celebrated free speech in both words and policy. Then that changed. I stopped. But network effect keeps groups there.

mrits 7y ago

What is really happening is reddit is just taking over all the most popular subreddits. They want to control the main vibe of the site. Understandable for a corporation but not in line with the original idea of the founders.

Gunax 7y ago
You're correct that it isn't surprising. Best action is to bring this to light. Make everyone aware that Reddit is not a free speech zone--its a closely monitored and profit-driven business.
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  Yes we all know closely moderated speech has been Reddit's hallmark for success.
charwalker 7y ago
This sub is popular among a small group but overall despised by the community. It openly flaunts the site rules and promotes content that draws a black eye from media attention. The current moves are though to be aimed at stifling the sub until it dies off vs a full ban as that would quickly draw headiness even though Youtube got the legal go ahead vs free speech rights just this week.
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  It's one of the largest subreddits there is but yea "small group"
  - charwalker 7y ago
    I meant in terms of overall Reddit users. If it is the 6th most popular web site in the US then however many active, non bot subs this subreddit has is minor and probably makes up a much larger percent of reports and issues than it should. It can't buy awards or make ad revenue (while quarantined) so is a huge cost center and time drain as well.

yourcssisbroke 7y ago

reddit is a shit-hole echo chamber

macinjosh 7y ago

Advertising and free discussion do not mix, at all. It is not surprising this sort of thing is being done by a company whose true customers are their advertisers, not users. Internet companies who mess with user content to appease advertisers are going to learn soon enough that they can't serve both masters at least for anything anyone is very passionate about, like politics. When I was a kid®, this sort content lived in web forums or newsgroups hosted by interested parties. You were unlikely to find any of it unless you went looking for it. It is probably best if it goes back to that. Internet pro-tip: If you don't want to be beholden to reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. don't use them, it is really that simple.

viklove 7y ago
The problem is there aren't many places where free discussion can be had without ad funding. It's one of the reasons I started plebia.io -- because ad funded discussion platforms will ultimately make decisions that are in the best interest of their customers (ad companies), not their users. I go into more depth in a blog post here: https://www.plebia.io/blogs/site/uDIkCFPp2b8+Online-Discussion-Platforms-Have-Changed https://www.plebia.io/blogs/site/uDIkCFPp2b8+Online-Discussi...

crystaldev 7y ago

Worth pointing out that Reddit up/downvotes have been heavily monitored for as long as Reddit fought voting rings. At least ten years. Any "suspicious" account has its voting rights neutered: The arrows become placebo buttons. I've observed this with every Reddit account I've owned (another certain website does this).

agumonkey 7y ago

where do these users go ?

ehvatum 7y ago
The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, so thedonald.win was started by r/the_donald moderators in anticipation of the inevitable. That's the recommended place for r/the_donald users to migrate. Check out r/worldnews or r/politics for reddit's consensus view of "impartial moderation". The recent events are to be expected and certainly were.

hcarvalhoalves 7y ago

Reddit is a private site, and everyone is free to host their own site with their opinions, right? What’s the problem?

XPKBandMaidCzun 7y ago

Don't know about the politics, but we beat up each other too much: People end up in groups based on their journey to find someone who validates their hardship. In 201x, the process goes something like this: When we struggle, we reach out for help, and rather than finding articles that are soothing chicken soup, they're news articles that we are worthy of contempt based on characteristics we have. The reader may get angered, as preposterously, some how, a specified group of people's needs and niche circumstance eclipses everything else. The algorithms leads to a string of sensational articles about how society needs to be restructured honor the whims of people based on a trait and exceptional edgecase circumstances. Respect is conditional based on tribal loyalty and repeating generalized tropes with religious zeal - if you dare to dissect it as a social construction - you're out of the club. You're not enlightened, don't get it, and generally what's wrong with society, somehow. I think general miserliness and insensitivity create the conditions for people to resort to unifying over absurd polarizing generalizations above all else. If our feelings and worth are based on preconditions, I'd assume it'd be pretty hard to build consensus, cooperate and make everyone feel loved and cared for. That said, when people squabble over rhetorical devices instead of unifying to improve the conditions of legal persons universally, it's great for the stock market.

swebs 7y ago

So I tried to visit https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ to see what the fuss is about, but apparently Reddit wants me to jump through hoops to give them my email to even be able to view it. Is there any archive site or whatever that will let me view this subreddit without giving reddit my personal information?

Bozzz 7y ago
AFAIK, when you make a reddit account it asks you for your email, but you can just leave that field blank.
- OrgNet 7y ago
  They only make it look like your email address is required... black pattern by Reddit...
charwalker 7y ago
The sub has been quarantined and I think requires you to be a verified user and go directly to the sub to view like its not listed on the site or even visible in third party apps. https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/aayoxb/what_is_a_quarantined_subreddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/aayoxb/what_is_a_quar...
ratsmack 7y ago
You can use this link: https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/

beloch 7y ago

Reddit has become highly successful as a political discussion forum for people from pretty much every part of the spectrum, but the moderation is utterly opaque. Even relatively centrist subreddits, such as /r/Canada, have mods who ignore the published moderation rules of their own subreddit and do what they please. If they don't like a thread or post it just disappears, even if it violated no rule. Reddit's moderation system is designed to prevent users from seeing how it works. The result is a cocktail of factors ripe for exploitation: 1. Some political subreddits have hundreds of thousands of users and are highly influential. 2. Mods have unrestricted power and virtually no accountability. Users have no way to check that moderation is fair and unbiased. 3. Mods are unpaid and anonymous. If Russia or China specifically set out to design a way to influence foreign politics, Reddit would be a fantastic platform to do just that. If you can get mods in your pocket you can promote or suppress issues to suit whatever agenda you desire. If Reddit were going to try to reign in the very worst of its mods, /r/The_Donald would probably be a good place to start. Most reddit users view that forum as a cesspool that was quarantined for good reason. However, the methods Reddit is using here are as opaque as that of the moderators themselves. There has been no direct communication to users. All the reporting on this "purge" is sourced from the purged moderators themselves. While I have no sympathy for the mods of /r/The_Donald whatsoever, the way Reddit is operating here is indeed reminiscent of a totalitarian state's propaganda ministry. They permit much, but certain things bring the fist down hard, and it's done in a way that most people are not meant to see. If you rely on Reddit for political information then you are making yourself vulnerable to unknown influences. While reddit is a fantastic resource in many ways, it's simply not safe to rely upon for certain things. With most traditional news sources now being owned by a small number of international conglomerates, there is a real need for alternative forums of political discussion. Reddit, as it currently exists, should not be that forum. However, with changes something like Reddit could be made to work. Such a forum would need to make moderation much more transparent. You can't give mods the power to simply disappear that which they don't like. Users need to be able to examine the actions of moderators and question them. Taking away the toy of unchecked, anonymous power would naturally make it harder to find mods, so they might actually have to be paid. How you make money like Reddit does without volunteer moderators is a problem worth solving, as is finding a way to select moderators that can be trusted by the community they serve and not necessarily the company paying them.

vermooten 7y ago

Good news for once.

humble_engineer 7y ago

But it didn't work, the mods there launched their own site (thedonald.win) and the users have all moved over. Pretty poor marketing and business from reddit to try and control the free speech of 35 million conservatives.

sadfsdafsaasdfd 7y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis... It wasn't photoshopped... So you're one example was you mistakenly thinking something was racist when really it was the actual content that Bloomberg chose. That's how sensitive you are.

throwawayrepub 7y ago

It's not photoshopped, you're just sensitive. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis... Your one example is wrong. Maybe you have the wrong idea of the other side? Maybe your bias blinds your judgement and you hate what you don't understand? Certainly seems that way.