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This seems to be the third or so day in the past week I've had issues with GitHub around this time in the morning. They've typically been really good. I'm a bit

This seems to be the third or so day in the past week I've had issues with GitHub around this time in the morning. They've typically been really good. I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more talk about it on HN.

giancarlostoro 7y ago
They seem to be doing heavy work on it. Now on Mobile you can't see repos in "Desktop Mode" which is unfortunate. I have to tell my browser to pretend to be in desktop mode. Plus the regex post from the other day seems to imply they are working on new things when somebody from GH replied in said thread. I don't mind improvements, but don't break production guys...
- izolate 7y ago
  Wow. The apparent level of conceit with which you ended your message is astounding. Do you think they intend to break production? You don’t mind? There are real people behind this who are hard at work delivering us a great product, we should cut them some slack. I apologize if you meant it differently but it came off a little off-putting.
  - askl56 7y ago
    Intentions are meaningless. If you're providing a service, (especially charging money for said service), you can't break it because "you're hard at work".
    - cocire 7y ago
      > Intentions are meaningless Are you a robot? Have some humanity...
      - desiderantes 7y ago
        GitHub is not a human being, it's a company.
      - Operyl 7y ago
        A lot of people have patience on day one, but this is the third or so day now this has happened. It’s understandable there are ruffled feathers.
    - kempbellt 7y ago
      >you can't break it because "you're hard at work" Apparently you can...because it is broken. A few days of degraded service is frustrating, but their up-time has bought them a lot of credit in my book - especially considering what they do. This is the real world. No service is magically infallible.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  They also changed the "Group Membership" dialog to be paginated when you add a new person to an organization. We have over 200 groups so now I have to page through for ever new hire we add. There's not even a search option. I'm sure the pagination might better for performance, but it's terrible UI.
  - masklinn 7y ago
    They may have missed that one, because at the same time they introduced both pagination and search to the repository membership page, and boy did that help us on one of our repos with a few hundred direct collaborators, by the end we could only manage access through the API because the page didn't even load most of the time.
    - londons_explore 7y ago
      I see why web pages need pagination so the server or browser doesn't OOM, but there really ought to be 10000 entries per page, not 25 that most sites seem to like. Ctrl+F on a list of 10000 entries is far easier than clicking through 400 ajaxy pages and trying to figure out some custom and buggy filtering system that probably doesn't allow regex. Past 10000 records most sites probably ought to just let you export in something bigquery compatible anyway - Regular Joe isn't going to have more than 10000 of anything, and anyone who does can learn how to use proper data tools.
      - masklinn 7y ago
        > there really ought to be 10000 entries per page Did you miss the part where I noted Github’s lists fail to load (let alone render) long before that point?
  - giancarlostoro 7y ago
    They really need beta.github.com to let people test changes that are not yet defacto. A uservoice type of thing, and the ability for people to join. I love to beta test and give feedback. Microsoft has used uservoice in the past, as has Sulake and other companies I've beta tested for (as a customer). Edit: Realized *.github.com takes you to your .github.io sites.
- oefrha 7y ago
  > Now on Mobile you can't see repos in "Desktop Mode" which is unfortunate. Wait, what? On iOS Safari I can only see repos in desktop mode now (except the issue tracker which is responsive anyway). Which is a good thing. Not sure why you have the exact opposite experience? (I do vaguely recall being asked if I would prefer desktop mode on my phone a while back, and I said yes.)
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    I think it sets a cookie or similar to save this.
geerlingguy 7y ago
Yeah... once every few weeks is one thing. Once a day is getting really annoying.
dirtydroog 7y ago
Still miles better than BitBucket.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  When was the last time BitBucket had an outage? Personally I don't see a lot of difference between the two platforms; or GitLab (my primary now). Github probably has the best UI, but Gitlab's has gotten a lot better; and there are always self hosted solutions like Gogs.
  - nickjj 7y ago
    > When was the last time BitBucket had an outage? I've been doing on-going client work for someone using BitBucket and for weeks it feels like every other day has an outage related to their pipelines (CI) feature (the thing I happen to be working on). It was constant banners about service disruption. There's a lot of UI outage related issues too, like the pipelines page starting to show a new build but never updating any of the progress until you reload the page -- which sounds like some type of API outage somewhere. I'm not sure if that gets reported as an outage but it makes using the platform not fun.
  - kempbellt 7y ago
    How much data does BitBucket have to process on a daily basis compared to GitHub, or GitLab? I imagine that there are stability issues that any provider will have to deal with as they scale to account for the masses.
  - stevekemp 7y ago
    I'm pleased I don't have to deal with BitBucket any more, but back a year or two it felt like it had an outage that impacted work at least once every six months. Sure that might not sound like much, but it was always a pain. Plus of course the service was so damn slow that using it was a daily pain.
    - leadingthenet 7y ago
      There's a yellow banner (that you can't even close) shown every few weeks, and it's usually related to the Pipelines being down, again. That often results in degrading functionality in other parts of the project too. And it's still slow as molasses. I wish I'll never have to use Bitbucket again, in the future.
djsumdog 7y ago
Yea, I'm surprised I didn't see anything from the outage yesterday.
- mirekrusin 7y ago
  Maybe they can’t post it because it doesn’t work /s

giancarlostoro 7y ago

They seem to be doing heavy work on it. Now on Mobile you can't see repos in "Desktop Mode" which is unfortunate. I have to tell my browser to pretend to be in desktop mode. Plus the regex post from the other day seems to imply they are working on new things when somebody from GH replied in said thread. I don't mind improvements, but don't break production guys...

izolate 7y ago
Wow. The apparent level of conceit with which you ended your message is astounding. Do you think they intend to break production? You don’t mind? There are real people behind this who are hard at work delivering us a great product, we should cut them some slack. I apologize if you meant it differently but it came off a little off-putting.
- askl56 7y ago
  Intentions are meaningless. If you're providing a service, (especially charging money for said service), you can't break it because "you're hard at work".
  - cocire 7y ago
    > Intentions are meaningless Are you a robot? Have some humanity...
    - desiderantes 7y ago
      GitHub is not a human being, it's a company.
    - Operyl 7y ago
      A lot of people have patience on day one, but this is the third or so day now this has happened. It’s understandable there are ruffled feathers.
  - kempbellt 7y ago
    >you can't break it because "you're hard at work" Apparently you can...because it is broken. A few days of degraded service is frustrating, but their up-time has bought them a lot of credit in my book - especially considering what they do. This is the real world. No service is magically infallible.
djsumdog 7y ago
They also changed the "Group Membership" dialog to be paginated when you add a new person to an organization. We have over 200 groups so now I have to page through for ever new hire we add. There's not even a search option. I'm sure the pagination might better for performance, but it's terrible UI.
- masklinn 7y ago
  They may have missed that one, because at the same time they introduced both pagination and search to the repository membership page, and boy did that help us on one of our repos with a few hundred direct collaborators, by the end we could only manage access through the API because the page didn't even load most of the time.
  - londons_explore 7y ago
    I see why web pages need pagination so the server or browser doesn't OOM, but there really ought to be 10000 entries per page, not 25 that most sites seem to like. Ctrl+F on a list of 10000 entries is far easier than clicking through 400 ajaxy pages and trying to figure out some custom and buggy filtering system that probably doesn't allow regex. Past 10000 records most sites probably ought to just let you export in something bigquery compatible anyway - Regular Joe isn't going to have more than 10000 of anything, and anyone who does can learn how to use proper data tools.
    - masklinn 7y ago
      > there really ought to be 10000 entries per page Did you miss the part where I noted Github’s lists fail to load (let alone render) long before that point?
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  They really need beta.github.com to let people test changes that are not yet defacto. A uservoice type of thing, and the ability for people to join. I love to beta test and give feedback. Microsoft has used uservoice in the past, as has Sulake and other companies I've beta tested for (as a customer). Edit: Realized *.github.com takes you to your .github.io sites.
oefrha 7y ago
> Now on Mobile you can't see repos in "Desktop Mode" which is unfortunate. Wait, what? On iOS Safari I can only see repos in desktop mode now (except the issue tracker which is responsive anyway). Which is a good thing. Not sure why you have the exact opposite experience? (I do vaguely recall being asked if I would prefer desktop mode on my phone a while back, and I said yes.)
- saagarjha 7y ago
  I think it sets a cookie or similar to save this.

geerlingguy 7y ago

Yeah... once every few weeks is one thing. Once a day is getting really annoying.

dirtydroog 7y ago

Still miles better than BitBucket.

djsumdog 7y ago
When was the last time BitBucket had an outage? Personally I don't see a lot of difference between the two platforms; or GitLab (my primary now). Github probably has the best UI, but Gitlab's has gotten a lot better; and there are always self hosted solutions like Gogs.
- nickjj 7y ago
  > When was the last time BitBucket had an outage? I've been doing on-going client work for someone using BitBucket and for weeks it feels like every other day has an outage related to their pipelines (CI) feature (the thing I happen to be working on). It was constant banners about service disruption. There's a lot of UI outage related issues too, like the pipelines page starting to show a new build but never updating any of the progress until you reload the page -- which sounds like some type of API outage somewhere. I'm not sure if that gets reported as an outage but it makes using the platform not fun.
- kempbellt 7y ago
  How much data does BitBucket have to process on a daily basis compared to GitHub, or GitLab? I imagine that there are stability issues that any provider will have to deal with as they scale to account for the masses.
- stevekemp 7y ago
  I'm pleased I don't have to deal with BitBucket any more, but back a year or two it felt like it had an outage that impacted work at least once every six months. Sure that might not sound like much, but it was always a pain. Plus of course the service was so damn slow that using it was a daily pain.
  - leadingthenet 7y ago
    There's a yellow banner (that you can't even close) shown every few weeks, and it's usually related to the Pipelines being down, again. That often results in degrading functionality in other parts of the project too. And it's still slow as molasses. I wish I'll never have to use Bitbucket again, in the future.

djsumdog 7y ago

Yea, I'm surprised I didn't see anything from the outage yesterday.

mirekrusin 7y ago
Maybe they can’t post it because it doesn’t work /s