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I'll take TikToks 'parasitic' over Reddits toxic negativity any day of the week. Go look at the front page of Reddit, then look at what's trending on Tiktok...

I'll take TikToks 'parasitic' over Reddits toxic negativity any day of the week. Go look at the front page of Reddit, then look at what's trending on Tiktok... From my humble perspective tiktok is a pretty positive place. Reddit on the other hand seems to have been overrun with political fighting and cynicism about literally everything. It may not be popular among the tech crowd but for where I am in my life that is far more important to me than what permissions an app needs.

quantummkv 7y ago
The front page of Reddit is pure toxicity, sure. But Reddit gives me the ability to curate my feed. I can curate the subreddits that I want and switch to that custom field, keeping all that toxicity away while still getting the depth reddit provides for niche communities.
kick 7y ago
TikTok banned pro-LGBT content (until they were called out on it?), TikTok bans a bunch of things in countries that aren't illegal there (or in any civilized country, for that matter), TikTok bans criticism of certain political figures in some regions, so forth. Positive, but at what price? I don't like reddit, either, to be fair.
- paxys 7y ago
  Reddit gives random moderators (who are often affiliated with companies or governments, without disclosure) the power to do all this and lots more.
  - defterGoose 7y ago
    Yeah, but it also gives any user the ability to start their own sub if they want.
    - a012 7y ago
      Doesn't Supermoderators can hijack and own user's sub, too?
      - kick 7y ago
        No. Admins aren't supermoderators, they're reddit employees, and the only way you can gain control of a subreddit if you're not an admin is by /r/redditrequest, which has very specific criteria. (Moderator has to have been offline from reddit for N days, so forth.) Even admins can't take control of subreddits arbitrarily. If they did, there are a few that would have been gone years ago.
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      Yep, make your own sub! And then they shut it down, take it over, give it to other people, or quarantine it if they don’t like what you are saying. The comparison to TikTok which is popular despite being Chinese run and Reddit which is acting in a way that makes me wonder if they are Chinese run is curious. I wonder which service really has less free speech atm.
      - defterGoose 7y ago
        Well, you've just pointed out the problem with centralized social media platforms. Someone else owns them.
        SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        Yes, but, if you aren’t breaking rules and they claim to be defenders of free speech you could at least expect them to play the part. I’ve seen some real shananagans at Reddit including the CEO stealth editing posts. Reddit acting as publisher is fine with me, they just still insist they are a neutral platform.
        defterGoose 7y ago
        Lol. Huffman replacing his name with t_d mod names was a troll (a great one). It was isolated, not an example of a frequent occurrence. If you're upset that he was functionally able to do that, I'll refer you to my preceding comment.
  - braindead_in 7y ago
    It's not random at all. Moderators are appointed so as to suit a particular narrative. The subs are such echo chambers that it is hard to separate propaganda and truth.
- rapsey 7y ago
  The front page of hacker news is heavily moderated and political discussions are quickly gone. You can either have productive interesting discussions (or in TikTok's case fun videos) or you can have free speech.
  - Polylactic_acid 7y ago
    Its ridiculous to suggest that lgbt content prevents fun videos. Also there is a lot of political content on HN. Its just shit flinging and random off topic rants that get removed.
    - rapsey 7y ago
      They have a moderation formula and it works. Any social media platform requires it to succeed. That is the reality of today's internet. lgbt content is controversial in huge parts of the world.
      - kick 7y ago
        So are Jewish people/content, but surely you wouldn't suggest banning them would be "working" in any way but superficially: that's called racism. Banning people based on innate characteristics that do no harm is wrong, as most people agree.
      - Polylactic_acid 7y ago
        Anti discrimination laws exist for a reason. It would be cheaper and easier for businesses to tell disabled customers to go away instead of building a ramp. A club might please its members more by banning black people. But we had decided that this kind of action is a negative to society. Tech companies have just slipped around existing laws. Its time that the laws be updated to include web services. TikTok was also exposed to be shadow banning disabled users.
    - wanderingjew 7y ago
      The president was impeached, and there was no mention of it on HN. To say there is political content on HN is absurd.
- Billy_Smith_92 7y ago
  Aren't they entitled to enforce some standards in line with their views? Nobody condemns reddit for enforcing site-wide pro-LGBT sentiment; I find it extraordinarily self-righteous and hypocritical when people condemn a platform for encouraging pro-family content. Not that I'm suggesting TikTok is a bastion of virtue or anything like that. Quite the opposite from my limited exposure.
- Polylactic_acid 7y ago
  There was also the case where they flagged the accounts of disabled users to partially shadow ban them so they wouldn't be bullied since few people could actually see their posts.
- jsjddbbwj 7y ago
  Look at what you're saying: tiktok simply bans all political content. Reddit is a cesspool of toxicity because of how everything is political content. Do you see the difference?
  - kick 7y ago
    TikTok doesn't ban all political content, and you're spreading misinformation.
- angryasian 7y ago
  Not every social app needs to be completely open to everything especially what may be considered controversial social issues. I'm not defending what they did, I'm just saying if their goal is to create a silly worry free experience, topics of controversy run counter to that.
  - kick 7y ago
    They don't ban all political content, or all expressions of sexuality or romance, they do for a very specific subset of issues which just so happen to be discriminatory. Like I said elsewhere in the thread: Jews are controversial, a ban on Jews on a social media platform wouldn't be remotely justifiable in any circumstance.
manigandham 7y ago
Where are you seeing so much "toxic negativity" on Reddit? The homepage is pretty generic news content if you're not logged in, but the typical logged-in experience with any social network comes down to who and what you follow. EDIT: I'm curious what people are disagreeing with here. I'm in dozens of subreddits that are all great communities.
- PopeDotNinja 7y ago
  Do you spend much time on /r/all?
  - manigandham 7y ago
    No. That's not a subreddit, it's just an index of trending content. Reddit even created r/popular to make a more filtered and generic version of r/all.
chvid 7y ago
Reddit is the worst. Catering to constant conflict. Always testing limits of what is technically legal and what clearly falls under hate speech laws; all under the banner of free speech. Reddit would love to be as technological advanced as TikTok but will never adopt their heavily edited approach because they know that there are far more eyeballs and moneys in constant conflict.
- PopeDotNinja 7y ago
  Reddit is much more pleasant when you filter the more toxic content. I like it a lot more after using Reddit Enhancement Suite to filter particularly nasty and/or unattractive subreddits. Kind of like real life, I just find a way to tune out what I don't like. If Reddit becomes 10% censored, it will stop being one of the few places that is actually interesting to me.
tasty_freeze 7y ago
The controversial subreddits get a lot of attention (up and down votes) and so show up as hot/interesting threads, and have the most visibility. If you limit yourself to politics and news, then yeah, you'll see a lot of extreme comments and hotheads. But if you stop there and write off reddit as nothing but "toxic negativity", you've judge the 95% based on the 5%. Go to, oh, r/bass (the musical instrument, not the fish), or r/rtlsdr (sofware defined radio), to name two I visit sometimes, you'll find pleasant, helpful communities. I imagine there are tens of thousands of other civil subreddits. As a very small experiment, I guessed the names of a few subreddits that seem like they would exist and had a look around. r/poker, r/weather, r/airplanes, r/needlepoint, r/darts. 5/5, all nice communities.
oefrha 7y ago
To be fair, these two are hardly comparable. Reddit is very toxic for sure but if you're looking for serious information or thoughts, it's still has some of that left. Whereas TikTok is pure entertainment, you're not gonna find anything "useful" or thoughtful there, but from the handful of clips (a couple dozen maybe) I've seen over the years it's indeed a delightful place to be, and my friends who do use it love it (more than Instagram at least).
audi0slave 7y ago
Reddit shows what the world is, tik tok shows the world you want to see. if you ignore this you will become the part of the problem.
- dagenix 7y ago
  Tik Tok shows the world that the oppressive governments and the 1950s wanted.
willvarfar 7y ago
You shouldn't have to choose a 'fundamentally parasitic' app in order to get nice content. Its not like you're making a good trade-off. Its not like "oh record everything about me and everyone I am near, just so long as you give me good feelings instead of arguments!" sounds reasonable. Yes reddit is a cesspool, and even HN seems to be slipping perceptibly, and no I can't think of anywhere nice and safe, but that doesn't mean tiktok is a good choice for anyone.
AndrewKemendo 7y ago
This misses the point that Reddit does effectively exactly what TikTok does with it's user targeting. Steve is the Pot calling the Kettle black.

quantummkv 7y ago

The front page of Reddit is pure toxicity, sure. But Reddit gives me the ability to curate my feed. I can curate the subreddits that I want and switch to that custom field, keeping all that toxicity away while still getting the depth reddit provides for niche communities.

kick 7y ago

TikTok banned pro-LGBT content (until they were called out on it?), TikTok bans a bunch of things in countries that aren't illegal there (or in any civilized country, for that matter), TikTok bans criticism of certain political figures in some regions, so forth. Positive, but at what price? I don't like reddit, either, to be fair.

paxys 7y ago
Reddit gives random moderators (who are often affiliated with companies or governments, without disclosure) the power to do all this and lots more.
- defterGoose 7y ago
  Yeah, but it also gives any user the ability to start their own sub if they want.
  - a012 7y ago
    Doesn't Supermoderators can hijack and own user's sub, too?
    - kick 7y ago
      No. Admins aren't supermoderators, they're reddit employees, and the only way you can gain control of a subreddit if you're not an admin is by /r/redditrequest, which has very specific criteria. (Moderator has to have been offline from reddit for N days, so forth.) Even admins can't take control of subreddits arbitrarily. If they did, there are a few that would have been gone years ago.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Yep, make your own sub! And then they shut it down, take it over, give it to other people, or quarantine it if they don’t like what you are saying. The comparison to TikTok which is popular despite being Chinese run and Reddit which is acting in a way that makes me wonder if they are Chinese run is curious. I wonder which service really has less free speech atm.
    - defterGoose 7y ago
      Well, you've just pointed out the problem with centralized social media platforms. Someone else owns them.
      - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        Yes, but, if you aren’t breaking rules and they claim to be defenders of free speech you could at least expect them to play the part. I’ve seen some real shananagans at Reddit including the CEO stealth editing posts. Reddit acting as publisher is fine with me, they just still insist they are a neutral platform.
        defterGoose 7y ago
        Lol. Huffman replacing his name with t_d mod names was a troll (a great one). It was isolated, not an example of a frequent occurrence. If you're upset that he was functionally able to do that, I'll refer you to my preceding comment.
- braindead_in 7y ago
  It's not random at all. Moderators are appointed so as to suit a particular narrative. The subs are such echo chambers that it is hard to separate propaganda and truth.
rapsey 7y ago
The front page of hacker news is heavily moderated and political discussions are quickly gone. You can either have productive interesting discussions (or in TikTok's case fun videos) or you can have free speech.
- Polylactic_acid 7y ago
  Its ridiculous to suggest that lgbt content prevents fun videos. Also there is a lot of political content on HN. Its just shit flinging and random off topic rants that get removed.
  - rapsey 7y ago
    They have a moderation formula and it works. Any social media platform requires it to succeed. That is the reality of today's internet. lgbt content is controversial in huge parts of the world.
    - kick 7y ago
      So are Jewish people/content, but surely you wouldn't suggest banning them would be "working" in any way but superficially: that's called racism. Banning people based on innate characteristics that do no harm is wrong, as most people agree.
    - Polylactic_acid 7y ago
      Anti discrimination laws exist for a reason. It would be cheaper and easier for businesses to tell disabled customers to go away instead of building a ramp. A club might please its members more by banning black people. But we had decided that this kind of action is a negative to society. Tech companies have just slipped around existing laws. Its time that the laws be updated to include web services. TikTok was also exposed to be shadow banning disabled users.
  - wanderingjew 7y ago
    The president was impeached, and there was no mention of it on HN. To say there is political content on HN is absurd.
Billy_Smith_92 7y ago
Aren't they entitled to enforce some standards in line with their views? Nobody condemns reddit for enforcing site-wide pro-LGBT sentiment; I find it extraordinarily self-righteous and hypocritical when people condemn a platform for encouraging pro-family content. Not that I'm suggesting TikTok is a bastion of virtue or anything like that. Quite the opposite from my limited exposure.
Polylactic_acid 7y ago
There was also the case where they flagged the accounts of disabled users to partially shadow ban them so they wouldn't be bullied since few people could actually see their posts.
jsjddbbwj 7y ago
Look at what you're saying: tiktok simply bans all political content. Reddit is a cesspool of toxicity because of how everything is political content. Do you see the difference?
- kick 7y ago
  TikTok doesn't ban all political content, and you're spreading misinformation.
angryasian 7y ago
Not every social app needs to be completely open to everything especially what may be considered controversial social issues. I'm not defending what they did, I'm just saying if their goal is to create a silly worry free experience, topics of controversy run counter to that.
- kick 7y ago
  They don't ban all political content, or all expressions of sexuality or romance, they do for a very specific subset of issues which just so happen to be discriminatory. Like I said elsewhere in the thread: Jews are controversial, a ban on Jews on a social media platform wouldn't be remotely justifiable in any circumstance.

manigandham 7y ago

Where are you seeing so much "toxic negativity" on Reddit? The homepage is pretty generic news content if you're not logged in, but the typical logged-in experience with any social network comes down to who and what you follow. EDIT: I'm curious what people are disagreeing with here. I'm in dozens of subreddits that are all great communities.

PopeDotNinja 7y ago
Do you spend much time on /r/all?
- manigandham 7y ago
  No. That's not a subreddit, it's just an index of trending content. Reddit even created r/popular to make a more filtered and generic version of r/all.

chvid 7y ago

Reddit is the worst. Catering to constant conflict. Always testing limits of what is technically legal and what clearly falls under hate speech laws; all under the banner of free speech. Reddit would love to be as technological advanced as TikTok but will never adopt their heavily edited approach because they know that there are far more eyeballs and moneys in constant conflict.

PopeDotNinja 7y ago
Reddit is much more pleasant when you filter the more toxic content. I like it a lot more after using Reddit Enhancement Suite to filter particularly nasty and/or unattractive subreddits. Kind of like real life, I just find a way to tune out what I don't like. If Reddit becomes 10% censored, it will stop being one of the few places that is actually interesting to me.

tasty_freeze 7y ago

The controversial subreddits get a lot of attention (up and down votes) and so show up as hot/interesting threads, and have the most visibility. If you limit yourself to politics and news, then yeah, you'll see a lot of extreme comments and hotheads. But if you stop there and write off reddit as nothing but "toxic negativity", you've judge the 95% based on the 5%. Go to, oh, r/bass (the musical instrument, not the fish), or r/rtlsdr (sofware defined radio), to name two I visit sometimes, you'll find pleasant, helpful communities. I imagine there are tens of thousands of other civil subreddits. As a very small experiment, I guessed the names of a few subreddits that seem like they would exist and had a look around. r/poker, r/weather, r/airplanes, r/needlepoint, r/darts. 5/5, all nice communities.

oefrha 7y ago

To be fair, these two are hardly comparable. Reddit is very toxic for sure but if you're looking for serious information or thoughts, it's still has some of that left. Whereas TikTok is pure entertainment, you're not gonna find anything "useful" or thoughtful there, but from the handful of clips (a couple dozen maybe) I've seen over the years it's indeed a delightful place to be, and my friends who do use it love it (more than Instagram at least).

audi0slave 7y ago

Reddit shows what the world is, tik tok shows the world you want to see. if you ignore this you will become the part of the problem.

dagenix 7y ago
Tik Tok shows the world that the oppressive governments and the 1950s wanted.

willvarfar 7y ago

You shouldn't have to choose a 'fundamentally parasitic' app in order to get nice content. Its not like you're making a good trade-off. Its not like "oh record everything about me and everyone I am near, just so long as you give me good feelings instead of arguments!" sounds reasonable. Yes reddit is a cesspool, and even HN seems to be slipping perceptibly, and no I can't think of anywhere nice and safe, but that doesn't mean tiktok is a good choice for anyone.

AndrewKemendo 7y ago

This misses the point that Reddit does effectively exactly what TikTok does with it's user targeting. Steve is the Pot calling the Kettle black.