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CDC: Possible ‘community spread’ coronavirus case in Bay Area
- nodesocket 7y agoI knew the first case of community spread Coronavirus would originate in the bay area. Facts be facts, open and unchecked immigration (a lot of it illegal) lends itself vulnerable to these situations. I will eat my words, if more details come out and I am wrong about the origin, but the person must have had contact somehow with somebody infected.
- aplummer 7y agoThis makes no sense. How would someone get to the Bay Area from an infection area illegally, via submarine? Facts be facts, irrational xenophobia.
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- dannyr 7y agoIt doesn't make sense unless it's crossing via land border In Mexico but there are 0 cases in Mexico.
- masonic 7y agoThere are zero confirmed and reported cases in Mexico. Mexico is just the final stop for smuggling from about 50 different countries, including quite a few from Africa and the middle east.
- allovernow 7y agoDo you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? Do you trust the Mexican government to mount an effective response? Edit: people silently downvoting don't seem to understand the low likelihood of a a highly contagious, asymptomatic virus being detected before a major outbreak, and the sorry state of medical infrastructure in most of Mexico. Look at how quickly it spread after detection in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, nations with first world medical care. There's a good chance it's already spreading in the U.S. - some 7000 people in California being monitored, about 1000 in WA, 80 in Long Island, NY - there's no way we've caught all of the local outbreaks. Not to mention the tests have an absurdly high false positive rate.
- dannyr 7y agoI don't. But do I have to assume that illegal immigrants are spreading the virus in the US?
- jerrysievert 7y ago> Do you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? that assumes that something that you refer to as "third world" has a large enough international (asian for the most part) traveling populace to bring the disease back before countries that have a much higher GDP and thus much higher number of traveling citizens. what you're saying simply doesn't add up.
- hombre_fatal 7y agoThis doesn't even make sense. You can simply fly from any infected area in the world right into San Francisco, and San Fransisco gets massive travel volume from these places. Why even bring up Mexico? Btw, Mexico has public/free hospitals unlike the USA. You can bet that flu-like symptoms and higher IMSS volume shows up in Mexican media just like backed up hospitals always get national attention. Not sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. In Mexico, people can at least go to the hospital to get checked, even private hospitals are cheap. In USA, people will just gamble to save the $100 checkup and go to work. I know I would.
- refurb 7y agoNot sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. Really? You can't see why the US might have a better response than Mexico?
- Simon_says 7y agoThere are zero confirmed cases in Mexico.
- allovernow 7y agoThis is no time for bleeding hearts. The virus originated in China. It is at best massively disruptive and at worst deadly on a large scale. Limiting contact based on the probabilistic prior of Chinese nationality is prudence, not xenophobia. And, by the way, this is an example of where blanket dismissing all anti-immigrant sentiment is empowering to those who you slander - when you minimize legitimate concerns by treating a complex problem as black and white you galvanize moderates who see nuance.
- aplummer 7y agoNo seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere. Claiming this is related to illegal immigration is baseless xenophobia, the probability vs regular air travel is 0.0001%.
- Johnny555 7y agoNo seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but Tijuana to San Francisco is only 520 miles -- 9 hours drive without traffic, and you can to it with only one gas stop in between (YMMV). So it seems very easy to get from Mexico straight to the Bay Area without leaving a wake of sick people behind.
- incompatible 7y agoAre you going to be demanding to see a passport from everybody you get near so that you can figure out which ones have Chinese nationality? It would be useless anyway, the number of new cases reported is now apparently larger outside China.
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- dathinab 7y agoAlso we shouldn't forget that by know the virus head spread through many places in the world (through is still under control in most places it spread to from China). So by know it's quite possible for people to become infected through people of more out less any (widespread) nationality/ethnicity etc. Also it seems that most European who carried the virus to a new EU country where people traveling legally (business or holiday) _to a region believed to be not a risico region when they went there_. While illegal immigration can complicate things I believe it's very unlikely to become the main source. It's much more likely to come through legal travels, e.g. tourists. One problem I see which the US _might_ get is that due to their health system infected people, especially if the syntoms are not to bad, might be less willing to go to the hospital (for monetary reasons). I hope for the US that the state will cover that expenses independent of insurance status or something like that. It would be quite ironic if the US ends to with a uncontrolled outbreak due to monitor reasons...
- dannyr 7y ago"the person must have had contact somehow with somebody infected." I mean that's how viruses are transmitted.
- pulisse 7y ago> open and unchecked immigration (a lot of it illegal) Or a tourist visited China or S. Korea and came home. Or maybe they were a business traveller. Or maybe someone who just flew on a plane with someone who had been to such areas. Or...
- King-Aaron 7y ago> open and unchecked immigration (a lot of it illegal) lends itself vulnerable to these situations So does, you know, normal travel
- allovernow 7y agoAt least when people travel legally you can document their routes and proactively minimize spread. I predicted this already in one of my comments. It's only a matter of time before migrants spread the virus and regardless of your position on [illegal|legal] immigration, this will turn sentiment against porous borders. Just one of the many ways this virus is poised to alter the global geopolitical landscape.
- incompatible 7y agoI think that the vast majority of travellers are on short-term trips, such as tourists, visits to friends and relatives, and business travel.
- HarryHirsch 7y agoOther people are more worried about the uninsured, the fact that there is no sick leave in America, and the fact that most everyone works at-will.
- Fjolsvith 7y ago> the fact that there is no sick leave in America A lot of places of employment have sick leave. Years ago I worked at a rural supermarket that gave sick leave. > and the fact that most everyone works at-will. And, an employer that fires people who get sick soon finds no one wants to work for them.
- elhudy 7y agoI've worked many places in my life from gas stations to restaurants to brick & morter stores, and now tech. Throughout all of this sick leave has been encouraged if not mandated. The idea that America "has no sick leave" is simply incorrect. We just don't mandate sick leave by law - and it has actually worked itself out pretty well.
- HarryHirsch 7y agoThe usual ten days of paid leave just isn't enough. When you have children you'll have used them up already because someone needs to take the kids to the doctor. But when the Coronavirus comes to your area you may have to observe quarantine or - God prevent! - you are sick for weeks. With a disaster of that magnitude you can't rely on individual goodness, you need the government because it has the deepest pockets.
- rconti 7y agoYour premise is obvious: They must have been in contact with someone who traveled. Your conclusion is not: The traveler must have been "illegal". In fact, you're almost certainly wrong. Furthermore, all travelers are not checked just for immigration status (you DO realize that tourism is a thing that is allowed, right?), but they were also checked (albeit poorly) for signs of infection in the travel phase. It's just not good enough. Many articles were pointing out how they weren't even using the temperature guns correctly, and infected people can be contagious for weeks before the signs even begin to show. Screening techniques, even if used perfectly, are inadequate. You'll never eat your words for what you're wrong about: the connection between illegal immigration and Covid-19, because you will convince yourself that your views are correct despite the fact that virtually no cases of this will ever have anything to do with illegal immigration.
- amluto 7y ago> Your premise is obvious: They must have been in contact with someone who traveled. That’s not even obviously true. They could have gotten it from someone else who, in turn, got it from someone who traveled.
- S_A_P 7y agoThis virus seems to be right at the cusp of something we should really fear. ~3% mortality rate and at least semi easily transmissible. The fact is that this could be a lot worse and we are already seeing some ugly behavior from it. I imagine chaos if mortality climbs by an order of magnitude. We need to keep our heads here and figure out how to stop this thing.
- streetcat1 7y agoAs a programmer, there are two options: 1. quarantine. 2. vaccine. Given the fact that people will not self-quarantine mainly due to economic reason, the hope is to rush the vaccine as fast as possible through the FDA, and then to mass-produce it.
- sp332 7y agoAs laid out by the actual expert at Trump's coronavirus press conference tonight (not Trump), American regulations on safety and efficacy mean that "rushing" a vaccine will take about one year. Quarantine isn't the only way to slow down the spread of a disease, and it's not unheard of for large changes in behavior to happen in response to large risks. Hand washing or even mask wearing could become more popular. E.g. https://zoomingjapan.com/life-in-japan/why-japanese-wear-surgical-masks/ https://zoomingjapan.com/life-in-japan/why-japanese-wear-sur...
- ncphillips 7y agoFrom what I’ve read “rushing” for vaccines means it will be ready in 2 years
- streetcat1 7y agoSince this is the first time that the world is facing such a pandemic, this must and I assume will be changed.
- xvilka 7y agoIt will, thus bringing the ETA to 1 year or so.
- 01100011 7y agoFuck it. Time to WFH for a couple weeks. I'm going to miss the free espresso.
- djannzjkzxn 7y agoIt’s going to take more than a couple weeks for this to take its course.
- 01100011 7y agoRight, but I can make the decision then on whether to return to work. As I said in another thread, I know I'll probably get it eventually and be fine, but I don't want it when the first wave hits and the health care system is jammed. Better for everyone if we WFH if possible.
- Fjolsvith 7y agoAre you stocked up for six months? If everyone works from home, Amazon, Uber Eats and Wholesale ain't delivering.
- 01100011 7y agoEveryone can't WFH. But if you can, you probably should.
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoStocking up for months is entirely realistic. Canned beans, pasteurized milk, etc.
- Johnny555 7y agoFeasible, but realistic for most people? A can of beans has around 350 calories, a pound of uncooked rice has 1700 calories Assuming you want to avoid losing weight, you'll want around 2000 calories/day. So you'll need 180 cans of beans and 180 lbs of rice. A 5 gallon bucket of rice weighs around 40 lbs so that's 5 5 gallon buckets. And you'll want more than rice and beans, so you'd want to store more than that. I don't think many people realistically have the space, money, or inclination to store that much food, especially families.
- ck2 7y agoHandy tracker, death vs survivor counter: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ note the extra links at the top too ps. 2% of 7 Billion is 140 Million people
- bathtub365 7y agoThe info on this website is useful, but the banner ads around the perimeter are making me feel sick for some reason
- ck2 7y agoThere are ads on the internet? Is your ublock broken?
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- scottlocklin 7y agoFinally, some good news. Personally I think this whole thing is an interesting test of how "extremely online" people react to media manipulation. The actual flu seems pretty boring and ordinary.
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- anewvillager 7y agoAfter the quarantine was done, it's been established that he doesn't have the virus and can't transmit to you. He can however get infected after an outbreak in your community
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoYes, that's how quarantine works. Did you expect him to be locked up forever,?
- belltaco 7y agoI would have expected your company to give him the option to work from home a couple of weeks more. That seems like a slam dunk to minimize cases of people that show no symptoms but still spread the virus.
- partiallypro 7y agoThis is in the same county (Solano) that the flight carrying people stranded on a cruise ship with corona virus infected people flew into. I wonder if that is connected in some regard, or if that's just a huge coincidence.
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