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I've worked on both sides of that, I think you'd be surprised. I also suspect that it's worse at the TLAs and any organization with access to FBI, license plat

I've worked on both sides of that, I think you'd be surprised. I also suspect that it's worse at the TLAs and any organization with access to FBI, license plate and various criminal databases. Obviously CCard databases and stuff are off limits as their use is outright fraud, but stuff like traffic cameras, imaging systems, etc.

distances 7y ago
I don't know about US, but many European countries have access logging in police and health databases, which checks to see for unwarranted snooping. With actual convictions taking place when someone gets too interested in, say, the behind-the-scenes data of the latest celebrity news.
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  Many times that are implemented so that IT isn't monitored, and the staff who is monitored can have selective enforcement. This allows for people to be fired for abusing their access when in reality they are being fire for some other action that isn't nearly as PR friendly to state.
  - distances 7y ago
    > This allows for people to be fired for abusing their access when in reality they are being fire for some other action that isn't nearly as PR friendly to state. TBH sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. And for what it's worth, at least in Finland getting caught snooping isn't cause for firing people, the convictions have been fines.
    - craydandy 7y ago
      Not true. While it has been pretty rare for anyone to get fired over snooping other people's data, there has been several cases where it has been the basis of firing the employee. Especially the health care sector has been sensitive about snooping, see for example [1], article in Finnish. [1] https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-7460193 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-7460193
      - distances 7y ago
        Good if the more serious cases have bigger consequences. I suppose the fines have been for single offences, whereas this linked case was pretty extensive snooping.
    - SkyBelow 7y ago
      The idea that employers will fire you for justifiable reasons when the reality is that they are firing for unjustifiable reasons is far more than simple conspiracy theory. There are numerous cases of people winning discrimination lawsuits because such firings didn't cover up good enough and lawyers were able to prove the actual reasoning. I do not find it unreasonable to think that many more cases weren't caught because the individual either didn't have funds to fight back or tracks were covered well enough the jury wasn't convinced.
      - distances 7y ago
        Yes, I find it plausible. But you specifically said that this monitoring is often leading to baseless firing. Do you have proof there's a link, are there multiple cases where this was proven? If not, you don't have grounds for claiming that it's often happening in the context of data snooping. That would be just useless speculation of what could happen.

distances 7y ago

I don't know about US, but many European countries have access logging in police and health databases, which checks to see for unwarranted snooping. With actual convictions taking place when someone gets too interested in, say, the behind-the-scenes data of the latest celebrity news.

SkyBelow 7y ago
Many times that are implemented so that IT isn't monitored, and the staff who is monitored can have selective enforcement. This allows for people to be fired for abusing their access when in reality they are being fire for some other action that isn't nearly as PR friendly to state.
- distances 7y ago
  > This allows for people to be fired for abusing their access when in reality they are being fire for some other action that isn't nearly as PR friendly to state. TBH sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory. And for what it's worth, at least in Finland getting caught snooping isn't cause for firing people, the convictions have been fines.
  - craydandy 7y ago
    Not true. While it has been pretty rare for anyone to get fired over snooping other people's data, there has been several cases where it has been the basis of firing the employee. Especially the health care sector has been sensitive about snooping, see for example [1], article in Finnish. [1] https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-7460193 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-7460193
    - distances 7y ago
      Good if the more serious cases have bigger consequences. I suppose the fines have been for single offences, whereas this linked case was pretty extensive snooping.
  - SkyBelow 7y ago
    The idea that employers will fire you for justifiable reasons when the reality is that they are firing for unjustifiable reasons is far more than simple conspiracy theory. There are numerous cases of people winning discrimination lawsuits because such firings didn't cover up good enough and lawyers were able to prove the actual reasoning. I do not find it unreasonable to think that many more cases weren't caught because the individual either didn't have funds to fight back or tracks were covered well enough the jury wasn't convinced.
    - distances 7y ago
      Yes, I find it plausible. But you specifically said that this monitoring is often leading to baseless firing. Do you have proof there's a link, are there multiple cases where this was proven? If not, you don't have grounds for claiming that it's often happening in the context of data snooping. That would be just useless speculation of what could happen.