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> You're in private mode. Subscribe to continue reading in private mode. I didn't realise that Bloomberg blocks private mode too. Messages like this assume tha

by thih9 7y ago

> You're in private mode. Subscribe to continue reading in private mode. I didn't realise that Bloomberg blocks private mode too. Messages like this assume that tracking is the default and make sure that we keep losing privacy. I really dislike this trend.

svnpenn 7y ago
I didnt get that, I tried with Firefox 72. Note I am also using uBO 1.25.0.
- TACIXAT 7y ago
  FF 73 and uBO 1.24.4 I still get it in a private window.
judge2020 7y ago
Even happening with a second Chrome profile, so it might be more heuristic-based than the previous tricks[0]. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20670596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20670596
toohotatopic 7y ago
Why is that behavior in agreement with GDPR? Don't they have to provide their information without people having to share private data?
- probably_wrong 7y ago
  It's not, but that's the one big problem (IMHO) with GDPR: that it doesn't allow individuals to sue. If I want to force them to either fall in line with the GDPR or get out of Europe, I need to find my local responsible agency, send them an email, and pray that they have the will and resources to act on it.
  - danieka 7y ago
    It does allow individuals to sue, and our right to justice is set out in article 79. It allows you to bring a suit to court in your (European) country of residence. You can sue for compensation for immaterial or material damages as set out in article 82. You should/might be able to sue for other things as well, such as forcing a company to delete data or provide you with a copy of data under processing. In Sweden there is case law where a claimant has received compensation for damages. So at least in Sweden court can be expected to award compensation when the case merits it. I have myself brought two cases to court in Sweden, but settled before verdict. The reason I was able to settle is the verdict would probably have gone my way. I agree with you that your local DPA is toothless. There are way to many cases for them to handle, that’s why we need to turn to the courts and not to our DPA to protect our rights. Lastly, most claims will be small claims, that is, less than 1000 EUR. In small claims you’re only liable for a small portion of lawyers fee should you lose. IANAL.
nonbirithm 7y ago
Some sites have been getting smart and not doing the paywall logic client side, and will not send the entire article's text over HTTPS which allows archive.is to save it and reader mode to function. I think Longform also did this at some point. I don't think it's about throwing away privacy for readers using reader mode, it's a matter of wanting to be compensated through the subscription model. Between the two, getting compensated won out.
Brendinooo 7y ago
Firefox's containers make it easier to work around stuff like this.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Or TOR where NoScript is (should be?) the norm. Then they get less data to work with too. Win-win!
  - Brendinooo 7y ago
    Some pages that check for private mode or whatever won't work without JavaScript.
Hitton 7y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b8z1li/how_to_get_past_the_new_york_times_paywall/elfiyvt/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b8z1li/how_to_get_p... This userscript fixes that. Same protection is used in several other mainstream media websites. I have found one website which is broken by this userscript though, so I don't recommend using it with wildcard for all websites instead of the few which use this protection.
jfengel 7y ago
I think it's more apt to put it that monetizing is the default. You could subscribe, though of course that's exposing even more than just tracking. I suspect that if somebody were to invent a good anonymous micropayment system they'd be happy to adopt that instead. They just want to get paid; your privacy just happens to be the currency that's easiest to come by.
- salawat 7y ago
  >I suspect that if somebody were to invent a good anonymous micropayment system... They'd also be guilty of of violating AML, KYC, and other money transfer regulations. It would get shut down faster than you can say "Wait! Don't do that!"
ab_testing 7y ago
Ublock > Disable Javascript > Read the article
tylerhou 7y ago
They detect your private mode using JavaScript; you can bypass by pausing script execution with the developer console immediately after the article loads.
- thih9 7y ago
  It doesn't really work, some users get treated as bots, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22428193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22428193 .
jamil7 7y ago
Not sure how many here have tried it but it takes all kinds of tricks to scrape Bloomberg reliably. Not surprised they're doing something like this.
- egdod 7y ago
  Just turn off JavaScript.
  - jamil7 7y ago
    Huh, you're right. The last time I tried this (year ago) they would throw up a "Are you a robot" page.
    - Paul-ish 7y ago
      I get that page if I turn off JS right now.
the_svd_doctor 7y ago
In Firefox, just click on "Reader mode" at the end of the address bar.
- rhizome 7y ago
  If CNN and WSJ are any indication, and I'm pretty sure they are, FF's reader mode is easily defeatable by div'ifying everything.
trophycase 7y ago
Just leave, it's probably not worth your time anyway. And also why support Bloomberg who is trying to buy an election?
BaitBlock 7y ago
Try Baitblock https://baitblock.app https://baitblock.app Baitblock has tracking resistance that also deletes first party cookies/other tracking mechanisms when it detects that you're not logged into a website.
aembleton 7y ago
Add ||assets.bwbx.io^$script,domain=bloomberg.com to your uBlock filters
auiya 7y ago
Or we could just... stop linking to properties owned by Michael Bloomberg altogether. That's also an option.

by thih9 7y ago

svnpenn 7y ago

I didnt get that, I tried with Firefox 72. Note I am also using uBO 1.25.0.

TACIXAT 7y ago
FF 73 and uBO 1.24.4 I still get it in a private window.

judge2020 7y ago

Even happening with a second Chrome profile, so it might be more heuristic-based than the previous tricks[0]. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20670596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20670596

toohotatopic 7y ago

Why is that behavior in agreement with GDPR? Don't they have to provide their information without people having to share private data?

probably_wrong 7y ago
It's not, but that's the one big problem (IMHO) with GDPR: that it doesn't allow individuals to sue. If I want to force them to either fall in line with the GDPR or get out of Europe, I need to find my local responsible agency, send them an email, and pray that they have the will and resources to act on it.
- danieka 7y ago
  It does allow individuals to sue, and our right to justice is set out in article 79. It allows you to bring a suit to court in your (European) country of residence. You can sue for compensation for immaterial or material damages as set out in article 82. You should/might be able to sue for other things as well, such as forcing a company to delete data or provide you with a copy of data under processing. In Sweden there is case law where a claimant has received compensation for damages. So at least in Sweden court can be expected to award compensation when the case merits it. I have myself brought two cases to court in Sweden, but settled before verdict. The reason I was able to settle is the verdict would probably have gone my way. I agree with you that your local DPA is toothless. There are way to many cases for them to handle, that’s why we need to turn to the courts and not to our DPA to protect our rights. Lastly, most claims will be small claims, that is, less than 1000 EUR. In small claims you’re only liable for a small portion of lawyers fee should you lose. IANAL.

nonbirithm 7y ago

Some sites have been getting smart and not doing the paywall logic client side, and will not send the entire article's text over HTTPS which allows archive.is to save it and reader mode to function. I think Longform also did this at some point. I don't think it's about throwing away privacy for readers using reader mode, it's a matter of wanting to be compensated through the subscription model. Between the two, getting compensated won out.

Brendinooo 7y ago

Firefox's containers make it easier to work around stuff like this.

Scoundreller 7y ago
Or TOR where NoScript is (should be?) the norm. Then they get less data to work with too. Win-win!
- Brendinooo 7y ago
  Some pages that check for private mode or whatever won't work without JavaScript.

Hitton 7y ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b8z1li/how_to_get_past_the_new_york_times_paywall/elfiyvt/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/b8z1li/how_to_get_p... This userscript fixes that. Same protection is used in several other mainstream media websites. I have found one website which is broken by this userscript though, so I don't recommend using it with wildcard for all websites instead of the few which use this protection.

jfengel 7y ago

I think it's more apt to put it that monetizing is the default. You could subscribe, though of course that's exposing even more than just tracking. I suspect that if somebody were to invent a good anonymous micropayment system they'd be happy to adopt that instead. They just want to get paid; your privacy just happens to be the currency that's easiest to come by.

salawat 7y ago
>I suspect that if somebody were to invent a good anonymous micropayment system... They'd also be guilty of of violating AML, KYC, and other money transfer regulations. It would get shut down faster than you can say "Wait! Don't do that!"

ab_testing 7y ago

Ublock > Disable Javascript > Read the article

tylerhou 7y ago

They detect your private mode using JavaScript; you can bypass by pausing script execution with the developer console immediately after the article loads.

thih9 7y ago
It doesn't really work, some users get treated as bots, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22428193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22428193 .

jamil7 7y ago

Not sure how many here have tried it but it takes all kinds of tricks to scrape Bloomberg reliably. Not surprised they're doing something like this.

egdod 7y ago
Just turn off JavaScript.
- jamil7 7y ago
  Huh, you're right. The last time I tried this (year ago) they would throw up a "Are you a robot" page.
  - Paul-ish 7y ago
    I get that page if I turn off JS right now.

the_svd_doctor 7y ago

In Firefox, just click on "Reader mode" at the end of the address bar.

rhizome 7y ago
If CNN and WSJ are any indication, and I'm pretty sure they are, FF's reader mode is easily defeatable by div'ifying everything.

trophycase 7y ago

Just leave, it's probably not worth your time anyway. And also why support Bloomberg who is trying to buy an election?

BaitBlock 7y ago

Try Baitblock https://baitblock.app https://baitblock.app Baitblock has tracking resistance that also deletes first party cookies/other tracking mechanisms when it detects that you're not logged into a website.

aembleton 7y ago

Add ||assets.bwbx.io^$script,domain=bloomberg.com to your uBlock filters

auiya 7y ago

Or we could just... stop linking to properties owned by Michael Bloomberg altogether. That's also an option.