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The first movie I remember ever seeing was the first star wars movie at a drive-in when I was 5 years old. I love the Star Wars movies. But, I haven't even both

The first movie I remember ever seeing was the first star wars movie at a drive-in when I was 5 years old. I love the Star Wars movies. But, I haven't even bothered to see the one that came out this past December. I'm not even sure of it's name. I was severely underwhelmed by the previous ones in the most recent trilogy. They weren't as bad as the prequels, but bad enough that I honestly don't care whether I see the most recent one or not.

CDSlice 7y ago
I would actually say that the latest one is better than The Force Awakens, and MUCH better than Last Jedi. Then again, I'm in my early 20s so I can't really compare it to the original movies.
trustfundbaby 7y ago
My exact sentiments. When Disney Plus came out, I actually attempted to watch the entire star wars lineup from start to finish, the prequels (episodes 4-6) were unwatchable, couldn't even get through those, but watching (more like sitting through) the last 2 reminded me of exactly why I wouldn't be seeing the latest one ...
- zacharycohn 7y ago
  The Prequels were episodes 1-3. The Original Trilogy was episodes 4-6.
- cable2600 7y ago
  Latest Star Wars films focused on diversity of actors rather than the plot and storyline because the original Star Wars was all white and only one woman in it. Disney tries to appease the SJWs in their films, not what the original fans want not what the children want and not what the average viewer wants. The same thing was tried in Ghostbusters and it was a flop as a reboot with all female Ghostbusters. The Mandorian was a hit because it followed the original Star Wars plot and storyline. It didn't focus on diversity, and instead focused on a good story. So Disney can still do Star Wars right if they do what they did in the Mandorian.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    I'm an original fan and I liked them all. I think the hate has become a separate movement, especially in the corner where your "criticism" comes from. It's quite easy to crap on things these days because you can find others online who will love to jump in. Especially on such a low level. It surely wasn't perfect but neither was the old SW. We're not talking about some over the top philosophical art house cinema here. The original was a classic heroes journey with a princess. That wasn't what would work today and it's not like nobody saw it. I know many people from different age groups who enjoyed what Disney has made out of this sleeping material in the last years.
  - thezilch 7y ago
    What a crock of shit. The failures of the latest Star Wars has nothing to do with a diverse cast. We get it; old, white males (ie. "fans") are pissed. There are good reasons; diversity isn't it. Note, The Mandalorian is full of diversity and breaks the mold of what old, white males consider as "good" for fathers' parental role or emotion.
  - TotempaaltJ 7y ago
    > and not what the average viewer wants Episode 9 made $1.072 billion in box office. You're wrong.
  - nl 7y ago
    Diversity isn't a problem. Stupid storylines which overwrite everything from previous films (so people can use the force to come back to life now? That would have been useful in the 1980 movies...).
    - thu2111 7y ago
      Aren't they kinda linked, though? The last Star Wars movie I saw was the Last Jedi. It had an unbelievably messed up plot and was one of the worst written movies I've seen in a long time. Filled with bizarre plot holes, but more importantly it lost the good vs evil balance that made the original films so enjoyable. Star Wars has always been about the scrappy underdogs facing off against impossible odds and winning, in the style of classic stories everywhere. In the Last Jedi the writers completely failed to understand that and wrote a story in which the "heros" of the Rebel Alliance are completely wiped out by a vastly superior Imperial force. Not just numerically superior but superior in every way: - Decision making is better - Alliances are better (people rat out the rebels pretty frequently) - They invest in technology R&D and then use it to win, which is practically "Fighting Wars 101". Literally the movie consists of the rebels all being killed whilst they try pathetically to run away whilst being constantly out-smarted by their opponents. By the end of the movie what's left of them fits into the Millenium Falcon. We're meant to root for the Rebels in Star Wars movies but by the end I found myself somehow rooting for the Empire, for the first time. I'm ignoring all the impossible physics like spaceships dropping bombs that fall out of their bottoms, the "space race" and many other head scratcher moments. Why was the movie such a mess? The primary criteria for selecting writers and scripts was how feminist they were, not whether they were competent writers. The writer/director for this film was and still is a nobody. The head of Lucasfilm (a woman) said she selected him because he "writes strong female characters". Not because he had a good track record of making good movies, not because he deeply understood Star Wars. No - he got the job because he's a feminist. This is exactly the sort of reason so many people get upset at diversity-based appointments. Even when the jobs go to men they go to the men who toe the ideological line even if they're useless at their jobs. What's amazing is that Rian Johnson sucked as a writer so much he couldn't even make a properly feminist movie. The Empire is the embodiment of the stereotypical patriarchy. It seems to be run almost exclusively by white British men (and one alien). It's all about strength and ruling through fear. It constantly invents new weapons. Meanwhile the Alliance is run exclusively by women, one of whom is even purple haired. The women in the movie all have amazing superpowers e.g. Rey can learn to use the force way faster than Skywalker could, yet their decision making is consistently awful. They're in a war yet they prioritise avoidance of conflict even when that's obviously hopeless. They run when they should fight, they demote the only actual rebel they seem to have left (Poe), they don't invest in technology so they're hopelessly outgunned by the Empire and they're so bad at being rebels that third party characters constantly either betray or ignore them (nobody in the galaxy comes to their aid when they broadcast a call for assistance at the end). I left the film feeling like it pretty systematically portrayed white British men as the personification of evil and diversity-driven feminism as the embodiment of moral virtue. But it was so confusingly written it also portrayed evil as systematically more competent than good in every way. Not sure what message they felt the audience would receive, but I'm really not sure it's the one they intended.
bitL 7y ago
I might be a minority, but I always considered plot of original Star Wars extremely underwhelming and the only interesting parts of all movies when I was a kid were space flight/another planets and sci-fi action scenes like X-wing vs Tie fighter battles, speeder bike chase, taking down star destroyer, the destruction of a planet by Death Star and lightsaber fights. The rest was just a boring filler. I frankly see no point in Star Wars these days as computer games are way more elaborate (e.g. Mass Effect, Elite, Prey, Borderlands Pre-sequel etc.), both in story and technical arrangement. I also remember some original Star Wars actors despised the movies, doing them only for money, and then were surprised by the popularity and disgusted by the fact those movies represented their "life's work" they were best known for.
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  I agree with you. Original ones were super novel in technical/fantasy aspects and I get whey they became topics of such obsession by many during releases, but as stories and cinematic quality go, they are on the level of cartoons for 5 year olds with some heavy inconsistencies which are hard to ignore for adults. Some parts like ewoks I literally have to suffer through. No wonder many actors weren't proud of their participation. Proof - older gens consider them eternal classics, most of the young these days couldn't care less. Give them some true classics like Spartacus or Orson Welles and they are more intrigued. All that bashing said, I love them all, even the crappiest prequels, but then again I love tons of sci-fi and fantasy.
  - probably_wrong 7y ago
    > Give them some true classics like Spartacus or Orson Welles and they are more intrigued. I don't think your proof works as well as you expect. Counterpoint: pick a random person, tell them to watch Citizen Kane, and tell them that it's "the greatest film ever made". I think they will have... opinions about that title. On a quick search, "A new hope" has higher audience ratings that "Citizen Kane" in IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic. The original trilogy is not perfect, but it definitely is a true classic under any definition of the term.

CDSlice 7y ago

I would actually say that the latest one is better than The Force Awakens, and MUCH better than Last Jedi. Then again, I'm in my early 20s so I can't really compare it to the original movies.

trustfundbaby 7y ago

My exact sentiments. When Disney Plus came out, I actually attempted to watch the entire star wars lineup from start to finish, the prequels (episodes 4-6) were unwatchable, couldn't even get through those, but watching (more like sitting through) the last 2 reminded me of exactly why I wouldn't be seeing the latest one ...

zacharycohn 7y ago
The Prequels were episodes 1-3. The Original Trilogy was episodes 4-6.
cable2600 7y ago
Latest Star Wars films focused on diversity of actors rather than the plot and storyline because the original Star Wars was all white and only one woman in it. Disney tries to appease the SJWs in their films, not what the original fans want not what the children want and not what the average viewer wants. The same thing was tried in Ghostbusters and it was a flop as a reboot with all female Ghostbusters. The Mandorian was a hit because it followed the original Star Wars plot and storyline. It didn't focus on diversity, and instead focused on a good story. So Disney can still do Star Wars right if they do what they did in the Mandorian.
- Krasnol 7y ago
  I'm an original fan and I liked them all. I think the hate has become a separate movement, especially in the corner where your "criticism" comes from. It's quite easy to crap on things these days because you can find others online who will love to jump in. Especially on such a low level. It surely wasn't perfect but neither was the old SW. We're not talking about some over the top philosophical art house cinema here. The original was a classic heroes journey with a princess. That wasn't what would work today and it's not like nobody saw it. I know many people from different age groups who enjoyed what Disney has made out of this sleeping material in the last years.
- thezilch 7y ago
  What a crock of shit. The failures of the latest Star Wars has nothing to do with a diverse cast. We get it; old, white males (ie. "fans") are pissed. There are good reasons; diversity isn't it. Note, The Mandalorian is full of diversity and breaks the mold of what old, white males consider as "good" for fathers' parental role or emotion.
- TotempaaltJ 7y ago
  > and not what the average viewer wants Episode 9 made $1.072 billion in box office. You're wrong.
- nl 7y ago
  Diversity isn't a problem. Stupid storylines which overwrite everything from previous films (so people can use the force to come back to life now? That would have been useful in the 1980 movies...).
  - thu2111 7y ago
    Aren't they kinda linked, though? The last Star Wars movie I saw was the Last Jedi. It had an unbelievably messed up plot and was one of the worst written movies I've seen in a long time. Filled with bizarre plot holes, but more importantly it lost the good vs evil balance that made the original films so enjoyable. Star Wars has always been about the scrappy underdogs facing off against impossible odds and winning, in the style of classic stories everywhere. In the Last Jedi the writers completely failed to understand that and wrote a story in which the "heros" of the Rebel Alliance are completely wiped out by a vastly superior Imperial force. Not just numerically superior but superior in every way: - Decision making is better - Alliances are better (people rat out the rebels pretty frequently) - They invest in technology R&D and then use it to win, which is practically "Fighting Wars 101". Literally the movie consists of the rebels all being killed whilst they try pathetically to run away whilst being constantly out-smarted by their opponents. By the end of the movie what's left of them fits into the Millenium Falcon. We're meant to root for the Rebels in Star Wars movies but by the end I found myself somehow rooting for the Empire, for the first time. I'm ignoring all the impossible physics like spaceships dropping bombs that fall out of their bottoms, the "space race" and many other head scratcher moments. Why was the movie such a mess? The primary criteria for selecting writers and scripts was how feminist they were, not whether they were competent writers. The writer/director for this film was and still is a nobody. The head of Lucasfilm (a woman) said she selected him because he "writes strong female characters". Not because he had a good track record of making good movies, not because he deeply understood Star Wars. No - he got the job because he's a feminist. This is exactly the sort of reason so many people get upset at diversity-based appointments. Even when the jobs go to men they go to the men who toe the ideological line even if they're useless at their jobs. What's amazing is that Rian Johnson sucked as a writer so much he couldn't even make a properly feminist movie. The Empire is the embodiment of the stereotypical patriarchy. It seems to be run almost exclusively by white British men (and one alien). It's all about strength and ruling through fear. It constantly invents new weapons. Meanwhile the Alliance is run exclusively by women, one of whom is even purple haired. The women in the movie all have amazing superpowers e.g. Rey can learn to use the force way faster than Skywalker could, yet their decision making is consistently awful. They're in a war yet they prioritise avoidance of conflict even when that's obviously hopeless. They run when they should fight, they demote the only actual rebel they seem to have left (Poe), they don't invest in technology so they're hopelessly outgunned by the Empire and they're so bad at being rebels that third party characters constantly either betray or ignore them (nobody in the galaxy comes to their aid when they broadcast a call for assistance at the end). I left the film feeling like it pretty systematically portrayed white British men as the personification of evil and diversity-driven feminism as the embodiment of moral virtue. But it was so confusingly written it also portrayed evil as systematically more competent than good in every way. Not sure what message they felt the audience would receive, but I'm really not sure it's the one they intended.

bitL 7y ago

I might be a minority, but I always considered plot of original Star Wars extremely underwhelming and the only interesting parts of all movies when I was a kid were space flight/another planets and sci-fi action scenes like X-wing vs Tie fighter battles, speeder bike chase, taking down star destroyer, the destruction of a planet by Death Star and lightsaber fights. The rest was just a boring filler. I frankly see no point in Star Wars these days as computer games are way more elaborate (e.g. Mass Effect, Elite, Prey, Borderlands Pre-sequel etc.), both in story and technical arrangement. I also remember some original Star Wars actors despised the movies, doing them only for money, and then were surprised by the popularity and disgusted by the fact those movies represented their "life's work" they were best known for.

saiya-jin 7y ago
I agree with you. Original ones were super novel in technical/fantasy aspects and I get whey they became topics of such obsession by many during releases, but as stories and cinematic quality go, they are on the level of cartoons for 5 year olds with some heavy inconsistencies which are hard to ignore for adults. Some parts like ewoks I literally have to suffer through. No wonder many actors weren't proud of their participation. Proof - older gens consider them eternal classics, most of the young these days couldn't care less. Give them some true classics like Spartacus or Orson Welles and they are more intrigued. All that bashing said, I love them all, even the crappiest prequels, but then again I love tons of sci-fi and fantasy.
- probably_wrong 7y ago
  > Give them some true classics like Spartacus or Orson Welles and they are more intrigued. I don't think your proof works as well as you expect. Counterpoint: pick a random person, tell them to watch Citizen Kane, and tell them that it's "the greatest film ever made". I think they will have... opinions about that title. On a quick search, "A new hope" has higher audience ratings that "Citizen Kane" in IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic. The original trilogy is not perfect, but it definitely is a true classic under any definition of the term.