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Unlike bill g (who thinks it's energy production and storage) I think food growing and delivery would be the next big thing. Imagine if we can make kitchens re

Unlike bill g (who thinks it's energy production and storage) I think food growing and delivery would be the next big thing. Imagine if we can make kitchens redundant. Nobody has a gym in their house. Kitchens should be equally rare.

lm28469 7y ago
Genuine question: why ? Seems like we're trying to optimise every single aspects of our lives to be "more productive/efficient" and we're throwing what makes life "life" with it. Cooking is good fun and the only way to control what's going in your body.
- animalnewbie 7y ago
  I am not suggesting that personal cooking or kitchens be abolished. I am only fantasizing, out of selfish interest, that the infrastructure around cooking is so developed that I can buy kitchen time and raw materials in required quantities at my local public kitchen and cook whatever I need, whenever. By the time I'm done cooking, the other portion of my meal will have been prepared by chefs elsewhere. You're free to make and clean and keep pest-free your own. Kitchen if you're so inclined. My fantasies haven't accounted for a kid yet I should confess .
  - ben_w 7y ago
    > I can buy kitchen time and raw materials in required quantities at my local public kitchen and cook whatever I need, whenever. By the time I'm done cooking, the other portion of my meal will have been prepared by chefs elsewhere I think there are several types of restaurant like that already.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    So instead of having a kitchen right in your house you'd rather pay for the privilege of having to walk, bike, or drive there? And then have half your food delivered anyway? What selfish benefit is this even supposed to provide in your own fantasy?
    - standardUser 7y ago
      Having a full array of high quality appliances and utensils, without the need to invest thousands of dollars over many years? And maybe there's staff to clean up when you're done? Doesn't sound like a terrible thing to me. People love to take cooking classes which are a similar experience.
      - nkrisc 7y ago
        You can cook most common meals with a few pots and pans and a hot plate, maybe a couple hundred invested, tops. An array of high end appliances and utensils makes it easier, but is by no means necessary.
        bluGill 7y ago
        The point is to make it more enjoyable and easier. I only need a few tools. However a lot of those expensive tools make it easier and more fun to cook. My kitchen lacks a springform pan which means my cheesecake isn't right, and I lack the storage space for a pan that I'd use so rarely.
      - magduf 7y ago
        What exactly is the point of using these expensive appliances and utensils to make a really nice meal, if it's going to be stone cold when you finally get it home to serve it? Or are you going to eat at the rental kitchen?
  - MereInterest 7y ago
    The main issue that I run into with this idea is that it would require cooking to be the only activity done at a time. I like to slowly prepare food over several hours, relaxing whenever there are steps that require waiting. Knead the bread, then do something else while it rises. Dice the tomatoes for the marinara sauce, then read a book while they simmer.
  - Tyr42 7y ago
    I really don't understand this. But I really don't understand. Isn't a kitchen inside your house more convenient? I mean, then you can eat the food at home, which is much nicer than eating out. Maybe if I'm trying to make something fancy, a fancy kitchen which is equipped with stuff I don't have would be useful? Paired with cooking lessons? But if I want to make pancakes on the weekend before I put on my coat and boots, I need a kitchen at home.
    - magduf 7y ago
      The rental kitchen for fancy meals is still pretty useless unless either 1) you live in a high-rise condo and it's in your building, a short elevator ride away from your home, or 2) you're going to eat at the rental kitchen. Otherwise, you're going to make some really fancy meal, then pack it up, bring it home, and by the time you get home and unpack it and plate it, it'll be stone cold. What's the point of making fancy food if it's going to be cold when you eat it, or you have to microwave it?
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  - bcrosby95 7y ago
    > My fantasies haven't accounted for a kid yet I should confess. Most fantasies don't.
  - magduf 7y ago
    I think this is a great idea. Similarly, we should stop putting bathrooms in our residences, and just have businesses where you can go to buy bathroom time. That way, you don't have to keep it clean on your own, or pay for it in your home (which would make the home cheaper). We can use smartphone apps to set up appointments to use these rented bathrooms. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to adopt this.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    This would just be obnoxious and impractical, like not having your own washer and dryer.
    - jiofih 7y ago
      Which was the case for literally everyone barely 60 years ago.
      - TulliusCicero 7y ago
        Yes, and it was obnoxious. It wasn't too long ago that nobody had running hot water in their homes either, and that also sucked.
        jiofih 7y ago
        Not so sure about that. Having your laundry done for you and delivered is now a luxury service...
Shivetya 7y ago
Sorry, doesn't make sense. Removing kitchens is just an odd idea. Food preparation is so varied who would want to pass the duty off to others. For many it is as much artistic expression as need. If anything what technology like this offers is growing food closer to the areas where it is currently transported which in turn would remove those costs from the process plus lots of related effects on traffic and pollution.
- BoorishBears 7y ago
  Removing kitchens is already happening: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/24/homes-without-kitchens-ubs-report https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/24/homes-withou... Plenty of people in major cities no longer cook. > Food preparation is so varied who would want to pass the duty off to others. Are you joking? You don't see why people would want to spend the time they use to prepare food to do other things just because it's varied? There are over 700 restaurants on doordash delivering to my location right now, by dinner I've seen that number go as high as 1,500. How many lifetimes would it take to be able to recreate even 10% of those menus? - I can cook, but to me it's like changing my oil or cleaning my apartment. Some people love to make a face and go "you don't cook?!?!?!" Yeah... not everyone considers cooking "artistic expression", imagine not understanding that.
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  - markus92 7y ago
    This is very much a cultural thing. I only know one person who doesn't cook, and that's an American. All of my European friends/family/acquaintances can't imagine not cooking. Even I had ask a few times if what my American friend was saying, was for real.
    - standardUser 7y ago
      The trend is clearly moving in one direction, and that direction is not towards more time spent cooking at home.
0xcafecafe 7y ago
Kitchens were out of the homes a few centuries back due to fire codes back then (from what I learned in the plantation tours in Louisiana,US). Today there is no reason for kitchen not be in the house. With all the news about pollution, potential pandemics, it is good to have a controlled environment where the food you ingest is prepared (even though ingredients are not 100% controlled). Personally, I find cooking meditative and relaxing after a long day in my cubicle and I enjoy eating what I make myself sans excess oils, food colors, etc.
tndl 7y ago
Or, instead of moving the kitchen out of the house, what if food growing/delivery evolved in the direction where you have the farm in your house? Companies like AeroGrow already make big consumner hydroponic indoor grow systems.
- bluGill 7y ago
  If the goal is fresh that might work out. However over the whole lifecycle big farms are generally cheaper and better for the environment.
detritus 7y ago
There's nothing new under the sun, as they say - what you're suggesting was fairly common for poorer households back in ancient Greece and Rome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopolium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopolium
jiofih 7y ago
That was actually the case before the industrial revolution. Having a kitchen was either a wild luxury or a workplace (cooking for hire), the majority of the population ate foods cooked in batch.

lm28469 7y ago

Genuine question: why ? Seems like we're trying to optimise every single aspects of our lives to be "more productive/efficient" and we're throwing what makes life "life" with it. Cooking is good fun and the only way to control what's going in your body.

animalnewbie 7y ago
I am not suggesting that personal cooking or kitchens be abolished. I am only fantasizing, out of selfish interest, that the infrastructure around cooking is so developed that I can buy kitchen time and raw materials in required quantities at my local public kitchen and cook whatever I need, whenever. By the time I'm done cooking, the other portion of my meal will have been prepared by chefs elsewhere. You're free to make and clean and keep pest-free your own. Kitchen if you're so inclined. My fantasies haven't accounted for a kid yet I should confess .
- ben_w 7y ago
  > I can buy kitchen time and raw materials in required quantities at my local public kitchen and cook whatever I need, whenever. By the time I'm done cooking, the other portion of my meal will have been prepared by chefs elsewhere I think there are several types of restaurant like that already.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  So instead of having a kitchen right in your house you'd rather pay for the privilege of having to walk, bike, or drive there? And then have half your food delivered anyway? What selfish benefit is this even supposed to provide in your own fantasy?
  - standardUser 7y ago
    Having a full array of high quality appliances and utensils, without the need to invest thousands of dollars over many years? And maybe there's staff to clean up when you're done? Doesn't sound like a terrible thing to me. People love to take cooking classes which are a similar experience.
    - nkrisc 7y ago
      You can cook most common meals with a few pots and pans and a hot plate, maybe a couple hundred invested, tops. An array of high end appliances and utensils makes it easier, but is by no means necessary.
      - bluGill 7y ago
        The point is to make it more enjoyable and easier. I only need a few tools. However a lot of those expensive tools make it easier and more fun to cook. My kitchen lacks a springform pan which means my cheesecake isn't right, and I lack the storage space for a pan that I'd use so rarely.
    - magduf 7y ago
      What exactly is the point of using these expensive appliances and utensils to make a really nice meal, if it's going to be stone cold when you finally get it home to serve it? Or are you going to eat at the rental kitchen?
- MereInterest 7y ago
  The main issue that I run into with this idea is that it would require cooking to be the only activity done at a time. I like to slowly prepare food over several hours, relaxing whenever there are steps that require waiting. Knead the bread, then do something else while it rises. Dice the tomatoes for the marinara sauce, then read a book while they simmer.
- Tyr42 7y ago
  I really don't understand this. But I really don't understand. Isn't a kitchen inside your house more convenient? I mean, then you can eat the food at home, which is much nicer than eating out. Maybe if I'm trying to make something fancy, a fancy kitchen which is equipped with stuff I don't have would be useful? Paired with cooking lessons? But if I want to make pancakes on the weekend before I put on my coat and boots, I need a kitchen at home.
  - magduf 7y ago
    The rental kitchen for fancy meals is still pretty useless unless either 1) you live in a high-rise condo and it's in your building, a short elevator ride away from your home, or 2) you're going to eat at the rental kitchen. Otherwise, you're going to make some really fancy meal, then pack it up, bring it home, and by the time you get home and unpack it and plate it, it'll be stone cold. What's the point of making fancy food if it's going to be cold when you eat it, or you have to microwave it?
- deleted 7y ago
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- bcrosby95 7y ago
  > My fantasies haven't accounted for a kid yet I should confess. Most fantasies don't.
- magduf 7y ago
  I think this is a great idea. Similarly, we should stop putting bathrooms in our residences, and just have businesses where you can go to buy bathroom time. That way, you don't have to keep it clean on your own, or pay for it in your home (which would make the home cheaper). We can use smartphone apps to set up appointments to use these rented bathrooms. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to adopt this.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  This would just be obnoxious and impractical, like not having your own washer and dryer.
  - jiofih 7y ago
    Which was the case for literally everyone barely 60 years ago.
    - TulliusCicero 7y ago
      Yes, and it was obnoxious. It wasn't too long ago that nobody had running hot water in their homes either, and that also sucked.
      - jiofih 7y ago
        Not so sure about that. Having your laundry done for you and delivered is now a luxury service...

Shivetya 7y ago

Sorry, doesn't make sense. Removing kitchens is just an odd idea. Food preparation is so varied who would want to pass the duty off to others. For many it is as much artistic expression as need. If anything what technology like this offers is growing food closer to the areas where it is currently transported which in turn would remove those costs from the process plus lots of related effects on traffic and pollution.

BoorishBears 7y ago
Removing kitchens is already happening: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/24/homes-without-kitchens-ubs-report https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/24/homes-withou... Plenty of people in major cities no longer cook. > Food preparation is so varied who would want to pass the duty off to others. Are you joking? You don't see why people would want to spend the time they use to prepare food to do other things just because it's varied? There are over 700 restaurants on doordash delivering to my location right now, by dinner I've seen that number go as high as 1,500. How many lifetimes would it take to be able to recreate even 10% of those menus? - I can cook, but to me it's like changing my oil or cleaning my apartment. Some people love to make a face and go "you don't cook?!?!?!" Yeah... not everyone considers cooking "artistic expression", imagine not understanding that.
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- markus92 7y ago
  This is very much a cultural thing. I only know one person who doesn't cook, and that's an American. All of my European friends/family/acquaintances can't imagine not cooking. Even I had ask a few times if what my American friend was saying, was for real.
  - standardUser 7y ago
    The trend is clearly moving in one direction, and that direction is not towards more time spent cooking at home.

0xcafecafe 7y ago

Kitchens were out of the homes a few centuries back due to fire codes back then (from what I learned in the plantation tours in Louisiana,US). Today there is no reason for kitchen not be in the house. With all the news about pollution, potential pandemics, it is good to have a controlled environment where the food you ingest is prepared (even though ingredients are not 100% controlled). Personally, I find cooking meditative and relaxing after a long day in my cubicle and I enjoy eating what I make myself sans excess oils, food colors, etc.

tndl 7y ago

Or, instead of moving the kitchen out of the house, what if food growing/delivery evolved in the direction where you have the farm in your house? Companies like AeroGrow already make big consumner hydroponic indoor grow systems.

bluGill 7y ago
If the goal is fresh that might work out. However over the whole lifecycle big farms are generally cheaper and better for the environment.

detritus 7y ago

There's nothing new under the sun, as they say - what you're suggesting was fairly common for poorer households back in ancient Greece and Rome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopolium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopolium

jiofih 7y ago

That was actually the case before the industrial revolution. Having a kitchen was either a wild luxury or a workplace (cooking for hire), the majority of the population ate foods cooked in batch.