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> What’s in it for the Cloudflare & NextDNS? It gives them a competitive advantage in DNS industry against other B2B providers, such as NS1.

by krn 7y ago

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
How? Surely the only way that's possible is if they derive data about users, which they can then sell .. which is what Mozilla claim to be preventing.
- dimensi0nal 7y ago
  Cloudflare's resolver does not send the client subnet, which hurts performance when users connect to anything that doesn't use Cloudflare.
  - jiveturkey 7y ago
    That's one thing, sure, but that doesn't affect the majority of sites. CF's DNS POPs are likely more dense than the great majority of service providers POPs. So using the subnet of the resolver is about as good (if not better) than having ECS info for practical purposes. (Because the client is normally going to hit the closest DNS POP to them in BGP network distance.) I'm not a CF fanboi, in fact I think they are evil. But let's not make weak arguments. That said, yeah suppression of ECS info is a deliberate anti-competitive choice by CF. They probably have convinced themselves its about privacy, but it isn't. The real benefit to them is, as the CDN, they get the benefit of even lower latency and even better control. With a penalty to everyone else. It's a disgusting arrangement, and a net loss in privacy. Your ISP already knows what websites you visit, they don't need the DNS because they see the actual traffic. I'd find it more palatable if these so-called TRR providers were required to be DNS-only. Maybe DNS + registrar.
    - yborg 7y ago
      >Your ISP already knows what websites you visit, they don't need the DNS because they see the actual traffic. Then why were the big ISPs lobbying against this plan when proposed by Google originally? Because they truly were concerned for the welfare of the Internet as they claimed? This is a concern they've never exhibited in the past, their only demonstrated concerns have been related to their revenue streams.
- krn 7y ago
  > How? Running a public DNS service allows Cloudflare and NextDNS to provide faster and smoother DNS updates to their B2B customers by avoiding third-party DNS resolvers and caches.
cat199 7y ago
curious, can see the case for the capability giving advantage, but how do you think running the public service would? or do you mean competitive advantage in marketing their products?
- deleted 7y ago
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> What’s in it for the Cloudflare & NextDNS? It gives them a competitive advantage in DNS industry against other B2B providers, such as NS1.

by krn 7y ago

> What’s in it for the Cloudflare & NextDNS? It gives them a competitive advantage in DNS industry against other B2B providers, such as NS1.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago

How? Surely the only way that's possible is if they derive data about users, which they can then sell .. which is what Mozilla claim to be preventing.

dimensi0nal 7y ago
Cloudflare's resolver does not send the client subnet, which hurts performance when users connect to anything that doesn't use Cloudflare.
- jiveturkey 7y ago
  That's one thing, sure, but that doesn't affect the majority of sites. CF's DNS POPs are likely more dense than the great majority of service providers POPs. So using the subnet of the resolver is about as good (if not better) than having ECS info for practical purposes. (Because the client is normally going to hit the closest DNS POP to them in BGP network distance.) I'm not a CF fanboi, in fact I think they are evil. But let's not make weak arguments. That said, yeah suppression of ECS info is a deliberate anti-competitive choice by CF. They probably have convinced themselves its about privacy, but it isn't. The real benefit to them is, as the CDN, they get the benefit of even lower latency and even better control. With a penalty to everyone else. It's a disgusting arrangement, and a net loss in privacy. Your ISP already knows what websites you visit, they don't need the DNS because they see the actual traffic. I'd find it more palatable if these so-called TRR providers were required to be DNS-only. Maybe DNS + registrar.
  - yborg 7y ago
    >Your ISP already knows what websites you visit, they don't need the DNS because they see the actual traffic. Then why were the big ISPs lobbying against this plan when proposed by Google originally? Because they truly were concerned for the welfare of the Internet as they claimed? This is a concern they've never exhibited in the past, their only demonstrated concerns have been related to their revenue streams.
krn 7y ago
> How? Running a public DNS service allows Cloudflare and NextDNS to provide faster and smoother DNS updates to their B2B customers by avoiding third-party DNS resolvers and caches.

cat199 7y ago

curious, can see the case for the capability giving advantage, but how do you think running the public service would? or do you mean competitive advantage in marketing their products?

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