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I've found that rewriting an application from C# to something quicker like PHP or Go negates the whole need to do this kind of stuff because the C# application

by jijji 7y ago

I've found that rewriting an application from C# to something quicker like PHP or Go negates the whole need to do this kind of stuff because the C# application is 10x faster written in PHP or 20x faster written in Go. I love it when you change one line of a shared lib in C# and it takes an hour for the application to recompile.

aliswe 7y ago
An hour? If you use NuGet you should be able to keep your compile times down. In my own projects I have maybe 10s compile times.
seabrookmx 7y ago
10x faster in PHP you say? I'd love to see such a benchmark!
- hinkley 7y ago
  GP seems to be placing a high premium on developer productivity. Given salaries in the valley these days, that’s probably not wrong. PHP, though...
  - seabrookmx 7y ago
    > the C# application is 10x faster written in PHP My interpretation of this is that the parent commenter thinks the application runtime is faster in PHP than C#.. Modern (dotnet core) C# often beats the pants off go in webserver workloads (Golang likely has the edge in compute and certainly in anything that values startup time). I really don't see a universe where idiomatic PHP beats out idiomatic C# though. > I love it when you change one line of a shared lib in C# and it takes an hour for the application to recompile Here they switch gears to developer productivity. My employer has an extremely large (LoC in the millions) C# codebase that does a from-scratch compile (including C++ dependencies) in ~30minutes. On developer environments, this is incremental and while not as fast as we'd like, it only takes a handful of seconds per iteration if you're actively developing on it. If you aren't familiar with C# tooling or really value a REPL, other stacks _will_ likely be more productive. But like you're saying, at that point why PHP? Why not reach for Ruby (is that still hip?) or node or something?
winrid 7y ago
I think your issue with C# might not be the runtime... But yes, write your app in Java instead of Python and you might not need a bunch of servers for most workloads. The problem is, when you do... :)
oblio 7y ago
1. Compilation time != execution time. 2. PHP is ridiculously slow compared to C#. You're doing wrong (or whoever created the application did it wrong). Go is comparable, but not really faster. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/csharp.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/php.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/go.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...
- strumpy123 7y ago
  yeah benchmarking all the stuff that is not really needed for a real web app.
  - oblio 7y ago
    1. Not everything is an web app. 2. That stuff is deep inside the web frameworks you use, in some way or another. 3. There you go, bud: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ The first non-micro framework is ASP.NET Core. Personally, I don't think performance is everything. Spring (Java) is #221 in that ranking and I'd bet it's used in almost as many places as everything above it combined.

by jijji 7y ago

aliswe 7y ago

An hour? If you use NuGet you should be able to keep your compile times down. In my own projects I have maybe 10s compile times.

seabrookmx 7y ago

10x faster in PHP you say? I'd love to see such a benchmark!

hinkley 7y ago
GP seems to be placing a high premium on developer productivity. Given salaries in the valley these days, that’s probably not wrong. PHP, though...
- seabrookmx 7y ago
  > the C# application is 10x faster written in PHP My interpretation of this is that the parent commenter thinks the application runtime is faster in PHP than C#.. Modern (dotnet core) C# often beats the pants off go in webserver workloads (Golang likely has the edge in compute and certainly in anything that values startup time). I really don't see a universe where idiomatic PHP beats out idiomatic C# though. > I love it when you change one line of a shared lib in C# and it takes an hour for the application to recompile Here they switch gears to developer productivity. My employer has an extremely large (LoC in the millions) C# codebase that does a from-scratch compile (including C++ dependencies) in ~30minutes. On developer environments, this is incremental and while not as fast as we'd like, it only takes a handful of seconds per iteration if you're actively developing on it. If you aren't familiar with C# tooling or really value a REPL, other stacks _will_ likely be more productive. But like you're saying, at that point why PHP? Why not reach for Ruby (is that still hip?) or node or something?

winrid 7y ago

I think your issue with C# might not be the runtime... But yes, write your app in Java instead of Python and you might not need a bunch of servers for most workloads. The problem is, when you do... :)

oblio 7y ago

1. Compilation time != execution time. 2. PHP is ridiculously slow compared to C#. You're doing wrong (or whoever created the application did it wrong). Go is comparable, but not really faster. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/csharp.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/php.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/go.html https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

strumpy123 7y ago
yeah benchmarking all the stuff that is not really needed for a real web app.
- oblio 7y ago
  1. Not everything is an web app. 2. That stuff is deep inside the web frameworks you use, in some way or another. 3. There you go, bud: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ The first non-micro framework is ASP.NET Core. Personally, I don't think performance is everything. Spring (Java) is #221 in that ranking and I'd bet it's used in almost as many places as everything above it combined.