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>>Promoting the app, however, could antagonize the law enforcement community. The margins of law enforcement and intelligence can be blurry, but to the extent

by netcan 7y ago

>>Promoting the app, however, could antagonize the law enforcement community. The margins of law enforcement and intelligence can be blurry, but to the extent that they're antagonistic towards private communication as a whole... "law enforcement" is kind of a euphemism. The article should have said "could antagonize the intelligence community," whether it's police or whatever. Over time this "antagonism" is growing, because intelligence is increasing its reliance on these data sources. "What do you mean we can't analyse IM chats. How are we supposed to do our job?"

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
This probably antagonizes law enforcement more than intelligence. If you are interesting enough to be a target to the CIA's of the world then they will probably find a way to get at you, if not through your phone then through your spouse's or maybe your Echo or whatever. These people would do well to distance themselves from devices in general For the masses who do nothing too wrong yet still engage in WrongThink(TM) (relative to the politics of the time and place) these apps are great because they astronomically increase the effort requires for law enforcement to rifle through your private communication which greatly reduces ability of police to have the power of arbitrary enforcement over the common man. A consequence of this is that tracking down drug dealers and other petty criminals requires "good old fashioned police work" as opposed to hooking their phone up to a black box like police have grown accustomed to. I agree with you that the distinction between law enforcement and intelligence is blurry but it's the folks solidly on the law enforcement side that are hindered by E2E encrypted messaging because it diminishes their power over people who have done nothing wrong and makes their routine work marginally more difficult.
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  > If you are interesting enough to be a target to the CIA's of the world then they will probably find a way to get at you The big thing for intelligence is that now they track everybody. It doesn't matter if they think you are relevant or not, if at some time you become, they already have plenty of material to blackmail you.

by netcan 7y ago

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

This probably antagonizes law enforcement more than intelligence. If you are interesting enough to be a target to the CIA's of the world then they will probably find a way to get at you, if not through your phone then through your spouse's or maybe your Echo or whatever. These people would do well to distance themselves from devices in general For the masses who do nothing too wrong yet still engage in WrongThink(TM) (relative to the politics of the time and place) these apps are great because they astronomically increase the effort requires for law enforcement to rifle through your private communication which greatly reduces ability of police to have the power of arbitrary enforcement over the common man. A consequence of this is that tracking down drug dealers and other petty criminals requires "good old fashioned police work" as opposed to hooking their phone up to a black box like police have grown accustomed to. I agree with you that the distinction between law enforcement and intelligence is blurry but it's the folks solidly on the law enforcement side that are hindered by E2E encrypted messaging because it diminishes their power over people who have done nothing wrong and makes their routine work marginally more difficult.

marcosdumay 7y ago
> If you are interesting enough to be a target to the CIA's of the world then they will probably find a way to get at you The big thing for intelligence is that now they track everybody. It doesn't matter if they think you are relevant or not, if at some time you become, they already have plenty of material to blackmail you.