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(1 tb) / (1 (mb / s)) = 11.5740741 days Ah, I see. mbps v. MBps. Capitalization error! Also, you're arguing against the past point which is fine because I mes

by kick 7y ago

(1 tb) / (1 (mb / s)) = 11.5740741 days Ah, I see. mbps v. MBps. Capitalization error! Also, you're arguing against the past point which is fine because I messed up the capitalization (though the point still holds, because I wasn't doing anything abnormal; it was a two person household with a game console), but not against present use-cases: 4k 24fps video for Netflix is 7GB, and 1080p 24fps video is over 3GB/hr (HD is 720p). How many TVs are you aware of that are under 1080p? A house that has two people regularly watching Netflix in it on a modern data connection seems like it'd blow through that cap pretty quickly. Why should Comcast be able to sell you a data connection you can't actually use? Caps are only a thing because Comcast oversells every connection.

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wyattpeak 7y ago
Even at 7GB an hour, they'd have to both be watching separately for over seven hours a day, every day. At 3GB an hour, 16 hours a day. It's not impossible, but it certainly isn't blowing through the cap quickly.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  Sometimes people leave the TV on.
  - wyattpeak 7y ago
    For seven hours every day? Once again, I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it is in fact quite extreme for two people to use it up with Netflix.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      For sixteen or twenty four hours a day.
Alupis 7y ago
> Caps are only a thing because Comcast oversells every connection The caps are a thing because Comcast pays for ingress traffic into their network (they pay other providers from which the data comes from). At a point, you cost them more than you pay for. Which is where they charge you an overage. Seems more than fair to me - I pay currently $49.99 a month for 150Mbps connection with a 3TB cap (I'm aware they offer different rates, speeds, and caps in different areas). I do not want to pay more than $49.99 just because someone else in my area constantly uses 10TB each month - that person should pay more, not me.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  > Comcast pays for ingress traffic into their network Actually, in some cases, Comcast gets paid FOR it. https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic/ https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-t...
  - Alupis 7y ago
    That's not the complete story. They started charging Netflix (or threatened to deprioritize or drop Netflix traffic) because Netflix traffic to Comcast customers starting making Comcast customers unprofitable. Comcast does pay for ingress traffic. They are not a Tier 1 provider and do not peer with other Tier 1 providers - bits flowing in cost money. They either had to charge Comcast customers more per month, or get Netflix to subsidize the ingress traffic costs from their service. This ultimately led to Netflix making the Open Connect boxes and offering them for free to ISP's as a way to mitigate the ingress costs. (this is why ISP provided video services don't have this problem - their traffic originates in-network and doesn't cost them anything additional to provide, fair or not) Unless we're going to change how the 3 Tier provider system works and who gets to charge who for ingress traffic - I don't see this changing anytime soon. Unless you want to regulate our way into doubling your monthly Comcast bill... I sure don't.
    - eropple 7y ago
      Wikipedia may not be up to date, but it says that Comcast has full peering except for Tata/AS6453. For US-based stuff, and I'm not an expert here so please feel free to correct me, isn't that "close enough" for this discussion?
afiori 7y ago
I believe you are missing the point of net neutrality: Comcast can sell a 200 KB data connection, but needs to provide the advertised service transparently. what is should be forbidden would be to advertise an unlimited plan and then post-facto soft ban users that actually test the unlimited description, or deprioritize connection to expensive services (like YouTube, Netflix or torrents)

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wyattpeak 7y ago

Even at 7GB an hour, they'd have to both be watching separately for over seven hours a day, every day. At 3GB an hour, 16 hours a day. It's not impossible, but it certainly isn't blowing through the cap quickly.

Dylan16807 7y ago
Sometimes people leave the TV on.
- wyattpeak 7y ago
  For seven hours every day? Once again, I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it is in fact quite extreme for two people to use it up with Netflix.
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    For sixteen or twenty four hours a day.

Alupis 7y ago

> Caps are only a thing because Comcast oversells every connection The caps are a thing because Comcast pays for ingress traffic into their network (they pay other providers from which the data comes from). At a point, you cost them more than you pay for. Which is where they charge you an overage. Seems more than fair to me - I pay currently $49.99 a month for 150Mbps connection with a 3TB cap (I'm aware they offer different rates, speeds, and caps in different areas). I do not want to pay more than $49.99 just because someone else in my area constantly uses 10TB each month - that person should pay more, not me.

crooked-v 7y ago
> Comcast pays for ingress traffic into their network Actually, in some cases, Comcast gets paid FOR it. https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic/ https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-t...
- Alupis 7y ago
  That's not the complete story. They started charging Netflix (or threatened to deprioritize or drop Netflix traffic) because Netflix traffic to Comcast customers starting making Comcast customers unprofitable. Comcast does pay for ingress traffic. They are not a Tier 1 provider and do not peer with other Tier 1 providers - bits flowing in cost money. They either had to charge Comcast customers more per month, or get Netflix to subsidize the ingress traffic costs from their service. This ultimately led to Netflix making the Open Connect boxes and offering them for free to ISP's as a way to mitigate the ingress costs. (this is why ISP provided video services don't have this problem - their traffic originates in-network and doesn't cost them anything additional to provide, fair or not) Unless we're going to change how the 3 Tier provider system works and who gets to charge who for ingress traffic - I don't see this changing anytime soon. Unless you want to regulate our way into doubling your monthly Comcast bill... I sure don't.
  - eropple 7y ago
    Wikipedia may not be up to date, but it says that Comcast has full peering except for Tata/AS6453. For US-based stuff, and I'm not an expert here so please feel free to correct me, isn't that "close enough" for this discussion?

afiori 7y ago

I believe you are missing the point of net neutrality: Comcast can sell a 200 KB data connection, but needs to provide the advertised service transparently. what is should be forbidden would be to advertise an unlimited plan and then post-facto soft ban users that actually test the unlimited description, or deprioritize connection to expensive services (like YouTube, Netflix or torrents)