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Can anyone explain why William Barr seems so intent on trying to change technology in such major ways as this? Does he not understand the implications of the th

Can anyone explain why William Barr seems so intent on trying to change technology in such major ways as this? Does he not understand the implications of the things he proposes? Or worse, does he understand the implications and proposes them nonetheless? I just don't get this guy's motivation. As far as I can tell, revoking section 230 would just result in people putting up fake content themselves and then suing the platform they posted to. Is there a reason why this wouldn't be possible? Also, I see a lot of people focusing on major platforms, but why wouldn't such changes also impact tiny sites? In particular, it seems that anyone casually hosting their own site (not something they focus on often), will be forced to remove all user generated content or quit their day jobs to manage their site - am I misinterpreting the implications here?

graeme 7y ago
> As far as I can tell, revoking section 230 would just result in people putting up fake content themselves and then suing the platform they posted to. Is there a reason why this wouldn't be possible? Maybe not themselves, but they could get someone else to. Or any competing site could post stuff that would increase legal liability. It would be the end of forums.
- cassalian 7y ago
  "I'll wreck you on twitter, you flatten me on Facebook; we both cash out" ;)
Techies4Trump 7y ago
Barr doesn't care about the "implications" for the tech companies or their employees. And he's not trying to "change technology" as you put it. He's just trying to stop these companies from playing dirty, as they have been for a long time. He's concerned with making services such as Youtube, FB and Reddit face up to the fact that they are publishers, and not really forums because they're so riddled with AI and fishy algorithms.
busymom0 7y ago
> Barr seems so intent on trying to change technology in such major ways as this He's not saying that. He's asking for a discussion on how the laws can be adapted for the current world. In the video of his speech, he specifically says they haven't made up their mind on how it should change. He's simply bringing up the points on how the current law is a bit outdated for the current world.
- cassalian 7y ago
  I appreciate someone coming in with a different viewpoint. I admit that I haven't actually watched him talk, and only read 'choice' quotes from him in articles. I will have to take the time to watch him speak and google around a bit. At this point in time, my opinion of Barr is based more on gut feelings than anything else.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    Here's the video if you are curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwN2cJzprs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwN2cJzprs Be careful of how media frames things. Specifically skeptical of when media does "choice/selective quotes" with "..." ellipsis tactic. Often when I see ellipsis, I go looking for more context and it ends up saying something quite different than what media claims.
Nasrudith 7y ago
Because Barr is literally a fascist with a long history of violating civil rights. He wants to rule unquestioned, unopposed, and unaccountable. He doesn't care so long as he can torture into compliance.
- cassalian 7y ago
  My initial reaction to reading about Barr makes me want to agree with you. However, I really haven't looked into him too much - tbh I only really know about him from popping up in HN articles (where he is always cast in a negative light). Any chance you have some links relevant to his history of violating civil rights, etc? Would love to be able to read through them to form a stronger opinion myself.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    ACLU is one here listing many of his outright struck down ones including sticking Haitain asylum seekers in Gitmo indefinitely. And that is restricted to the obscenities that the courts have called out instead of accepting as the norm. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/william-barr-has-long-history-abusing-civil-rights-and-liberties-name https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/william-barr-has... My personal philosophy is civil rights are not up for a debate or vote. Normalizing them is itself a form of damage that mere politeness can never justify.
    - cassalian 7y ago
      Thank you for the link! ^_^ It looks like Barr has been pushing pretty extreme views for longer than I've been alive :/ I can definitely see why you would use the word fascist to describe him
  - objectivetruth 7y ago
    There's no need for us to provide links: you can read any mainstream news articles about his work -- either recent ones from the past few months, or archived articles from his tenure in earlier administrations -- to get the gist. Actually, you can read pretty much any article about him NOT published in The Federalist and get the gist.
nitwit005 7y ago
Suppose you, and your allies, have publicly insisted that major tech companies are biased against Conservatives by deleting their posts, banning them, or whatever. You need to be seen to be taking some action to fix things somehow. I personally doubt they'll change anything. Republicans talked about the idea of the media being biased against them for decades, from newspapers to Holywood. Major legal changes have been fairly rare.

graeme 7y ago

> As far as I can tell, revoking section 230 would just result in people putting up fake content themselves and then suing the platform they posted to. Is there a reason why this wouldn't be possible? Maybe not themselves, but they could get someone else to. Or any competing site could post stuff that would increase legal liability. It would be the end of forums.

cassalian 7y ago
"I'll wreck you on twitter, you flatten me on Facebook; we both cash out" ;)

Techies4Trump 7y ago

Barr doesn't care about the "implications" for the tech companies or their employees. And he's not trying to "change technology" as you put it. He's just trying to stop these companies from playing dirty, as they have been for a long time. He's concerned with making services such as Youtube, FB and Reddit face up to the fact that they are publishers, and not really forums because they're so riddled with AI and fishy algorithms.

busymom0 7y ago

> Barr seems so intent on trying to change technology in such major ways as this He's not saying that. He's asking for a discussion on how the laws can be adapted for the current world. In the video of his speech, he specifically says they haven't made up their mind on how it should change. He's simply bringing up the points on how the current law is a bit outdated for the current world.

cassalian 7y ago
I appreciate someone coming in with a different viewpoint. I admit that I haven't actually watched him talk, and only read 'choice' quotes from him in articles. I will have to take the time to watch him speak and google around a bit. At this point in time, my opinion of Barr is based more on gut feelings than anything else.
- busymom0 7y ago
  Here's the video if you are curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwN2cJzprs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwN2cJzprs Be careful of how media frames things. Specifically skeptical of when media does "choice/selective quotes" with "..." ellipsis tactic. Often when I see ellipsis, I go looking for more context and it ends up saying something quite different than what media claims.

Nasrudith 7y ago

Because Barr is literally a fascist with a long history of violating civil rights. He wants to rule unquestioned, unopposed, and unaccountable. He doesn't care so long as he can torture into compliance.

cassalian 7y ago
My initial reaction to reading about Barr makes me want to agree with you. However, I really haven't looked into him too much - tbh I only really know about him from popping up in HN articles (where he is always cast in a negative light). Any chance you have some links relevant to his history of violating civil rights, etc? Would love to be able to read through them to form a stronger opinion myself.
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  ACLU is one here listing many of his outright struck down ones including sticking Haitain asylum seekers in Gitmo indefinitely. And that is restricted to the obscenities that the courts have called out instead of accepting as the norm. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/william-barr-has-long-history-abusing-civil-rights-and-liberties-name https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/william-barr-has... My personal philosophy is civil rights are not up for a debate or vote. Normalizing them is itself a form of damage that mere politeness can never justify.
  - cassalian 7y ago
    Thank you for the link! ^_^ It looks like Barr has been pushing pretty extreme views for longer than I've been alive :/ I can definitely see why you would use the word fascist to describe him
- objectivetruth 7y ago
  There's no need for us to provide links: you can read any mainstream news articles about his work -- either recent ones from the past few months, or archived articles from his tenure in earlier administrations -- to get the gist. Actually, you can read pretty much any article about him NOT published in The Federalist and get the gist.

nitwit005 7y ago

Suppose you, and your allies, have publicly insisted that major tech companies are biased against Conservatives by deleting their posts, banning them, or whatever. You need to be seen to be taking some action to fix things somehow. I personally doubt they'll change anything. Republicans talked about the idea of the media being biased against them for decades, from newspapers to Holywood. Major legal changes have been fairly rare.